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THIS WEEK, WATCH WASHINGTON JOURNAL'S SPECIAL HOLIDAY AUTHORS WEEK SERIES FEATURING LIVE SEGMENTS WITH A NEW WRITER. DAVID PEPPER DISCUSSES HIS BOOK "SAVING DEMOCRACY: A USER'S MANUAL FOR EVERY AMERICAN." WATCH WASHINGTON JOURNAL LIVE TUESDAY MORNING WITH OUR SPECIAL HOLIDAY AUTHORS WEEK SERIES. ...

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A NUMBER OF POLICY ADVOCATES DISCUSSED THE INTERSECTION OF HIV-AIDS AND RACE AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE MINORITY AIDS INITIATIVE DURING JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY'S WORLD AIDS DAY CONFERENCE IN WASHINGTON, D.C. IT WAS SPEARHEADED BY CONGRESSWOMAN MAXINE WATERS AND THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS IN 1998. ...

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GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE JOHNS HOPKINS BLOOMBERG CENTER. I'M THE VICE PROVOST OF FACULTY DIVERSITY AND A PROFESSOR AT THE BLOOMBERG SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH. I'M ABSOLUTELY EXCITED ABOUT THE TIME WE WILL SPEND TOGETHER TODAY. THIS IS THE FIRST OF A SERIES OF EVENTS WE WILL HAVE FOR THE HEALTH OPPORTUNITIES FOR POLICY EQUITY OR WHAT WE CALL THE HOPE CHALLENGE. WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT TODAY'S -- EXCUSE ME -- WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT TODAY'S PANEL THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AND I WANT TO FIRST START OFF BY SAYING WE APPRECIATE THE GENEROUS SUPPORT FROM JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY AND I ALSO WANT TO START OUT BY APPRECIATING ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED BEHIND THE SCENES TO BRING US WHERE WE ARE TODAY. WE WILL START THIS MORNING WITH A WELCOME FROM THE LEADERS OF THE TWO OF THE FOUR NAMED PARTNERS OF THE EVENTS. OUR PARTNERS ARE THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS FOUNDATION, THE CONGRESSIONAL HISPANIC CAUCUS INSTITUTE. FIRST UP, WE WILL HEAR FROM MY FRIEND WHO'S A PROFESSOR AT THE BLOOMBERG SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND HE DIRECTS THE HOPKINS CENTER FOR HEALTH DISPARITIES SOLUTIONS. DR. GASKIN IS A HEALTH ECONOMIST WHO ADDRESSES PROGRAMS THAT REDUCE HEALTH DISPARITIES. HE WILL THEN BE FOLLOWED BY THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF A NONPROFIT THAT SEEKS TO NORMALIZE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT RACE IN THE HIV MOVEMENT WHILE FIGHTING FOR HEALTH EQUITY AND RACIAL JUSTICE IN AMERICA. FOUNDED IN 1987, IT IS WORKING TO BEND THE CURVE OF NEW HIV DIAGNOSES WHILE ENSURING THOSE WHO ARE LIVING WITH HIV RECEIVE THE ONGOING CARE THEY NEED. AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, PAUL WORKS WITH HIS BOARD AND STAFF TO SET THE STRATEGIC DIRECTION AND OVERSEAS THE TRAINING, TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FOR THE PROGRAM. ADDITIONALLY, HE DEVELOPS MANY HIGH-PROFILE MEETINGS INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS ON AIDS, THE LARGEST ANNUAL AIDS-RELATED GATHERING IN THE COUNTRY. LET'S GIVE A WARM ROUND OF APPLAUSE. [APPLAUSE] ...

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SO, THANK YOU FOR THAT VERY KIND INTRODUCTION. GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. WELCOME TO A GATHERING THAT IS ALL ABOUT MAKING A DIFFERENCE. I COULD NOT BE MORE THRILLED TO CALL THIS OUR FIRST HOPE CHALLENGE WITH YOU AND THEN ANOTHER'S VERY SPECIAL DAY, WHICH IS WORLD AIDS DAY. TODAY, WE ARE GOING TO BE DIVING INTO A TOPIC THAT IS NOT JUST RELEVANT, BUT ALSO TIMELY. HIV AND THE POLITICS OF RACE, THE MINORITY AIDS INITIATIVE AT 25. THIS GATHERING IS NOT JUST PRESENTATIONS AND STIMULATING CONVERSATION, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IT IS A CALL TO ACTION. SO FASTEN YOUR SEATBELTS, BECAUSE WE ARE EMBARKING ON A JOURNEY TO REALLY TRY TO CHANGE LIVES. AT THE HEART OF THE HOPE CHALLENGE MISSION IS A CLEAR AND COMPELLING DESIRE AND NEED TO CREATE A BRIGHTER AND HEALTHIER AND MORE EQUITABLE FUTURE FOR ALL. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVING NATIONAL PROSPERITY, CUTTING DOWN HEALTH CARE COSTS, ENSURING THAT EVERYONE ENJOYS GOOD HEALTH AND THRIVING COMMUNITY. HOW? BY LEVERAGING THE POWER OF PUBLIC POLICY TO ELIMINATE THOSE GLARING RACIAL AND ETHNIC HEALTH DISPARITIES THAT SHOULD NOT EXIST IN OUR SOCIETY. LET ME BE PLAIN, WE HAVE A PROBLEM ON OUR HANDS. TOO MANY PEOPLE SUFFER FROM PREVENTABLE HEALTH CONDITIONS. THIS IS NOT JUST A NATIONAL HEALTH CRISIS, IT IS A NATIONAL ECONOMIC CRISIS. IT IS LITERALLY DRAGGING DOWN OUR NATION'S STANDARD OF LIVING. PREVENTABLE HEALTH CONDITIONS ARE ROBBING US OF PRECIOUS YEARS , DAMPENING OUR PRODUCTIVITY, AND ADDING UNNECESSARY AND EXCESSIVE HEALTH CARE COSTS. UNFORTUNATELY, THE BRUNT OF THIS BURDEN FALLS DISPROPORTIONATELY ON OUR FELLOW CITIZENS WHO IDENTIFIES AFRICAN-AMERICAN, HISPANIC, NATIVE AMERICAN, ALASKAN NATIVE, ASIAN AMERICANS, PACIFIC ISLANDERS, AND THE LGBTQIA PLUS COMMUNITY. HOWEVER, THERE IS GOOD NEWS. WE ARE NOT JUST HERE TO LAMENT THE PROBLEMS, WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOLUTIONS. THIS IS WHY THE JOHNS HOPKINS CENTER ALONG WITH OUR PARTNERS, THE NATIONAL MINORITY AIDS COUNCIL, THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS FOUNDATION, THE CONGRESSIONAL HISPANIC CAUCUS INSTITUTE HAS CONVENED THIS GATHERING TODAY. I WANT TO THANK THE JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY AWARDS PROGRAM AND THE PROFESSORSHIP FOR THEIR SUPPORT OF THE HOPE CHALLENGE BREAKFAST FOR HIM HERE AT THE JOHNS HOPKINS BLOOMBERG UNIVERSITY -- JOHNS HOPKINS BLOOMBERG CENTER. OUR GOAL IS TO SHINE A SPOTLIGHT ON THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE MINORITY AIDS INITIATIVE, A POLICY INTERVENTION THAT WAS WAY AHEAD OF ITS TIME THANKS TO CONGRESSWOMAN MAXINE WATERS WHO CHAMPIONED IT INTO EXISTENCE IN 1998. A HEALTH EQUITY POLICY BEFORE THE TERM HEALTH EQUITY WAS INVOKED. THE MINORITY AIDS INITIATIVE WAS THOUGHT TO ADDRESS HIV DISPARITIES IN COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. TODAY, WE ARE GOING TO DISSECT ITS IMPACT AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN SUPERCHARGE IT AND OTHER POLICIES SO WE CAN FINALLY END HIV DISPARITIES. BUT THAT IS NOT ALL. WE HAVE SOMETHING EXTRA SPECIAL IN STORE FOR YOU. WE HAVE CNN COMMENTATOR AND POLITICAL INSIDER JAMAAL SIMMONS WHO WILL LEAD A FIRESIDE CHAT WITH SOME OF OUR NATIONS LEGAL WIZARDS. THE CHAP WILL DIVE HEADFIRST INTO THE ANTI-WOKE MOVEMENT, WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT, AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR OUR MISSION. WE WILL BE UNPACKING THE SUPREME COURT'S RECENT DECISIONS ON AFFIRMATIVE ACTION AND OTHER LEGAL MANEUVERS THAT SEEK TO BLOCK INTERVENTIONS AIMED AT CLOSING THOSE STUBBORN GAPS IN HEALTH, WEALTH, AND EDUCATION. THE BEST PART, WE ARE GOING TO LIFT UP POTENTIAL POLICY SOLUTIONS THAT MAY SAFEGUARD THE FUTURE OF THESE CRITICAL HEALTH EQUITY INTERVENTIONS. THIS IS ABOUT HEALTH EQUITY. I'M REMINDED OF A POEM BY LANGSTON HUGHES. I TOO SING AMERICA. I AM THE DARKER BROTHER. THEY SEND ME TO EAT IN THE KITCHEN WHEN COMPANY COMES. BUT I LAUGH AND EAT WELL AND GROW STRONG. TOMORROW, I WILL BE AT THE TABLE WHEN COMPANY COMES. NOBODY WILL DARE SAY TO ME, EAT IN THE KITCHEN. THEN BESIDES THEY WILL SEE HOW BEAUTIFUL I AM AND BE ASHAMED. I TOO AM AMERICA. HEALTH EQUITY RECOGNIZES THAT ALL OF US HAVE A RIGHT TO SIT AT THE AMERICAN TABLE AND ENJOY LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. HEALTH EQUITY INSISTS OUR SOCIETY IMPLEMENT POLICIES AND PROGRAMS IN SUCH A WAY THAT EVERYONE HAS A LOW RISK OF CONTRACTING HIV AND IF SOME DO, THEY CAN LIVE LONG, HEALTHY, AND PRODUCTIVE LIVES. UNFORTUNATELY, OUR INITIAL EFFORTS TO HALT THE TRANSITION OF THE DISEASE AND CARE FOR PEOPLE LIVING WITH HIV WERE NOT BENEFITING EVERYONE. RACIAL AND ETHNIC MINORITY COMMUNITIES WERE BEING LEFT BEHIND. THE MINORITY AIDS INITIATIVE INTRODUCED THE CONCEPT OF HEALTH EQUITY IN THE NATION'S EFFORT TO ADDRESS HIV-AIDS PANDEMIC. ASKING OUR DECISION-MAKERS TO INCORPORATE HEALTH EQUITY IN THEIR POLICIES AND PROGRAMS IS MERELY ASKING THEM TO FOLLOW THE GOLDEN RULE. DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU. IN OTHER WORDS, TREAT NO ONE AS THOUGH THEY DESERVE LESS THAN YOU AND THOSE IN YOUR COMMUNITY. EVEN IF YOU PERCEIVE SOMEONE AS THE OTHER, MAKE SURE YOUR POLICIES AND PROGRAMS ARE AS EFFECTIVE FOR THEM AS THEY ARE FOR YOU. THE GOLDEN RULE STANDARD IN OUR POLICY AND PROGRAMS INSISTS THAT OUR POLICIES AND PROGRAMS BE EFFECTIVE FOR ALL OF US. SO, WELCOME YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS TO THE AMERICAN TABLE BECAUSE THEY TOO SING AMERICA. SIT BACK, BUT DON'T JUST SIT THERE, BE READY TO ENGAGE, SHARE YOUR BRILLIANCE, AND HELP US PAVE THE WAY TOWARD A SOCIETY WHERE EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF THEIR BACKGROUND GETS A FAIR SHOT AT BEING HEALTHY AND LIVING A PROSPEROUS LIFE. TODAY, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AND TOGETHER WE WILL TURN THE TIDE ON DISPARITIES AND MAKE HEALTH EQUITY A REALITY. I'M NOW PLEASED TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR EVENT PARTNER, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE NATIONAL MINORITY AIDS COUNCIL. 2[APPLAUSE] ...

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I AM -- IT IS WORLD AIDS DAY TODAY. I MOVED TO WASHINGTON IN 1985 TO FIGHT AN EPIDEMIC THAT WAS KILLING PEOPLE THAT I LOVED. IN 1989, I BECAME THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF A SMALL NATIONAL MINORITY ORGANIZATION AND I HAVE BEEN THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR 34 YEARS. [APPLAUSE] THAT'S PROBABLY OLDER THAN MANY OF THE STUDENTS SITTING IN THIS ROOM AND SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW GLAD I AM TO SEE YOU ALL HERE. I WANT TO START BY THANKING HOPKINS UNIVERSITY. LOOK AT THIS BEAUTIFUL SPACE WE ARE IN. WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS WORK, ORGANIZATIONS LIKE MINE WOULD NEVER BE INVITED INTO BEAUTIFUL SPACES LIKE THIS, SO IT IS SUCH AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE TO BE STANDING IN FRONT OF YOU IN THIS EXTRAORDINARY SPACE. I WANT TO THANK DR. CUMMINGS FOR GETTING US HERE. LOOK AT THIS. LOOK AT THIS. LOOK AT THIS FOR A SECOND. ONE OF THESE TABLES IS NOT LIKE THE OTHER, FOLKS. AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT, AND I KNOW THAT IT TAKES FRIENDS TO OPEN THE DOORS TO GET US INTO THESE ROOMS. BUT THESE ARE NOT ROOMS THAT WE OFTEN GET INVITED TO. AND SO I AM SO APPRECIATIVE AND I'M PARTICULARLY APPRECIATIVE OF THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS AND THE CONGRESSIONAL HISPANIC CAUCUS. LAST NIGHT WE DID AN EVENT ON THE HILL HONORING ALL OF THE WOMEN OF THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS, AND WE HAD 17 MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE AND A BRAND-NEW SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA JOINING US, AND IT WAS ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS WHERE I HAD TO PINCH MYSELF BECAUSE I REMEMBER A TIME WHEN PEOPLE WOULD SHUT THEIR DOORS AND NOT MEET WITH US AND WE WENT ON THE HILL. I REMEMBER A TIME WHEN PEOPLE WERE AFRAID TO SHAKE MY HAND. I REMEMBER A TIME WHEN I WOULD SIT IN HOSPITAL BEDS SCREAMING AT GOD ABOUT HOW UNFAIR THIS IS. AND I SURE THAT STORY -- AND I SHARE THAT STORY WITH YOU BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT FEELS REALLY SIMILAR. I HAVE TO TELL YOU, THE WORLD IS CRAZY. THE WORLD IS CRAZY. AND WE ARE SITTING IN A MOMENT IN HISTORY THAT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO DEFINE BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE THAT SCIENCE, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE THE TRUTH, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOLUTIONS. THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT STUPIDNESS THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REALITY OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE WORLD. SO ALL THE STUDENTS HERE, I WORRY FOR YOU. I HAVE TO TELL YOU, YOUR FUTURE -- THAT'S WHY THE BLOOMBERG PROGRAM IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU ARE THE FUTURE. YOU WILL HAVE TO TAKE THIS BATTLE TO THE PEOPLE. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGHT FOR EQUALITY AND JUSTICE, BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A WORLD RIGHT NOW WHERE THE MINORITY AIDS INITIATIVE WAS ALMOST DEFUNDED TWO WEEKS AGO AND THE HOUSE -- TWO WEEKS AGO IN THE HOUSE. AFTER 25 YEARS THERE WAS A VOTE AND THEY TOOK AWAY ALMOST ALL THE MONEY EXCEPT FOR THE LAST $25 MILLION. AND THEN THERE WAS A FINAL VOTE TO GET RID OF THAT. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? IN THIS CRAZY HOUSE, WE WON. WE HAD ENOUGH REPUBLICAN MEMBERS STAND WITH US -- [APPLAUSE] AND SAY THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET RID OF THE LAST OF THE MONEY. EVEN IN THIS, I WANTED TO BRING YOU SOME HOPE. I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT YOUR VOICE MATTER, OUR ISSUES MATTER. WE ARE PART OF A GENERATION OF PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVING TO FIGHT THE LAST VESTIGES OF A SYSTEM THAT WAS SET UP NOT FOR US. WE ARE FIGHTING THE LAST VESTIGES OF THE WORLD THAT SAYS -- THERE ARE LITERALLY PEOPLE WHO SAY WE ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF OUR SKIN, JUST BECAUSE OF WHO WE LOVE, JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE CHOOSE TO EXPRESS OUR GENDER. BUT HOPEFULLY WE WILL FIGHT AND WIN. AND SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR BEING A PART OF THIS EXTRAORDINARY MOMENT IN HISTORY. BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO KNOW, THERE IS AN OLD ACT UP SAYING THAT WE ARE GOING TO FIGHT LIKE HELL FOR THE LIVING. AND I NEED YOU ALL TO FIGHT LIKE HELL FOR THE LIVING, BECAUSE THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AS MUCH AS RISK AS THERE IS RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. [APPLAUSE] ...

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THANK YOU FOR THOSE INSPIRING REMARKS. IT IS NOW TIME FOR OUR PANEL, "HIV AND THE POLITICS OF RACE," TO BEGIN. CAN THE PANELISTS COME TO THE STAGE AND TAKE THEIR SEATS? IT IS MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE THE MODERATOR, WHO IS A VISITING SCHOLAR AT JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY BLOOMBERG SCHOOL AND THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH POLICY AND MANAGEMENT. A WIDELY KNOWN COMMENTATOR, ACTIVIST, AND STRATEGIST, SHE IS THE FOUNDER AND CEO OF GLOBAL POWER SOLUTIONS, A SOCIAL CHANGE STRATEGY THAT SEEKS TO DRIVE SOCIETY TOWARDS INCLUSION. TAKE IT AWAY. ...

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GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU, ROLAND, FOR THAT GREAT INTRODUCTION, AND THANK YOU TO PAUL FOR THOSE INSPIRING, INSPIRING REMARKS. AND I THANK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU TODAY WHO IS JOINING US EITHER IN PERSON, ON C-SPAN, OR ON OUR LIVESTREAM FOR THIS VERY, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT WORLD AIDS DAY EVENT. WITH THAT, I SHOULD JUST SAY WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT HIV AND THE POLITICS OF RACE. THE MINORITY AIDS INITIATIVE AT 25. I SHOULD TELL YOU THAT BACK IN 1998, WHEN I WAS JUST A VERY, VERY, VERY YOUNG PERSON -- I WON'T TELL YOU HOW OLD -- I CAME TO WASHINGTON TO FIND OUT WHAT THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS WAS DOING AROUND HIV. IN THE NEWS THERE WERE MORE BASICALLY PUBLISHED ACCOUNTS OF BOUT THE DISPARITY -- ABOUT THE DISPARITIES, THE RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES, THAT WERE HAPPENING WITH HIV-AIDS IN COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. THERE HAD BEEN THERETOFORE NO FEDERAL POLICY RESPONSE THAT ADDRESS TO THE ISSUE OF THESE DISPARITIES. AND I ARRIVED JUST IN TIME TO WITNESS A PHENOMENAL OCCURRENCE. I ARRIVED JUST IN TIME TO SEE HIV-AIDS LEADERS, ACTIVISTS, ORGANIZATIONAL LEADERS, AND CERTAINLY ADMINISTRATORS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THEY WERE ALL OF COLOR, COME TO WASHINGTON TO APPEAL TO THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS TO DO SOMETHING. THEY WERE NOT RECEIVING THE MONEY NEEDED IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE EPIDEMIC IN THEIR COMMUNITIES, AND THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED. BUT PRIOR TO THAT, THE RYAN WHITE CARE ACT HAD BEEN THE PRIMARY FUNDING MECHANISM FOR HIV FUNNY FOR COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY. --HIV COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY. THEY APPEAL TO THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS TO BASICALLY DO SOMETHING BY CREATING A FUNDING STREAM THAT WENT DIRECTLY TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS LED BY PEOPLE OF COLOR WHO WERE WORKING IN AND SERVING PEOPLE OF COLOR. THE CHAIR OF THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS AT THAT TIME, CONGRESSWOMAN MAXINE WATERS. AND SHE CARRIED THAT BALL LIKE NOBODY'S BUSINESS. SHE LITERALLY CAUGHT THE BALL -- THEY TOSSED IT, SHE CAUGHT IT, AND SHE RAN WITH IT. AND SHE WAS ABLE TO CREATE THE MINORITY AIDS INITIATIVE. THE OTHER CAUCUSES, THE CONGRESSIONAL HISPANIC CAUCUS, CONGRESSIONAL NATIVE AMERICAN CAUCUS, CONGRESSIONAL ASIAN AMERICAN CAUCUS, ALL OF THESE CAUCUSES GOT ON BOARD TO SUPPORT THIS INITIATIVE. UNFORTUNATELY, I SHOULD JUST SAY THAT AROUND THE EARLY 2000S, THE ADMINISTRATION OF GEORGE W. BUSH DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD NO LONGER ADHERE TO THE GUIDANCE OF -- THAT THE MONEY IS GO DIRECTLY TO MINORITY-LED ORGANIZATIONS. THAT MEANING THAT ANY ORGANIZATION COULD GET THE MONEY'S. AND HERE WE ARE TODAY, FIVE YEARS LATER -- 25 YEARS LATER. HEALTH DISPARITIES ON HIV ARE HUGE AND GROWING, AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT WE MUST MUST MUST FIX IT AND MOVE FORWARD TO SAVE LIVES. WITH THAT, I'M DELIGHTED TO HAVE A WONDERFUL AND DISTINGUISHED PANEL OF LEADERS TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION TODAY, PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE TRENCHES FOR A VERY LONG TIME DOING THIS WORK LIKE YOU JUST WOULDN'T BELIEVE. AND SO WITH THAT MY VERY FIRST PERSON TO MY LEFT IS -- HEADS THE LATINO COMMISSION ON AIDS, AND HE IS JUST A WONDERFUL PERSON. I HAVE SEEN HIM AS AN ACTIVIST. HE IS BRILLIANT, HE IS PASSIONATE, AND HE CARES. HE COMES FROM THIS FROM A COMMUNITY-BASED PERSPECTIVE, HAVING WORKED WITH ORGANIZATIONS AROUND THE FIELD FOR VERY LONG TIME. I WANT YOU TO SET THE CONTEXT FOR US. WHERE ARE WE RIGHT NOW, AND HOW DID WE GET HERE, AND WHAT HAVE BEEN THE CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND WITH REGARDS TO HIV-AIDS? DEAR ABOUT -- GUILLERMO? ...

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THANK YOU, MAYA, FOR YOUR INTRODUCTION. IT IS IMPORTANT TO PAUSE. THE GLOBAL COMMUNITY RECOGNIZES WORLD AIDS DAY TODAY. WE NEED TO ALSO REMEMBER THE HUGE HUMAN COSTS, ALL THE LIVES THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN FROM US FROM HIV. AND I TRULY BELIEVE THAT ANALYZING 25 YEARS LATER AND ANSWERING THE QUESTION OF MAIAYA, WE HAVE A PROBLEM, HUGE PROBLEM. IF YOU REVIEW THE LATEST DATA FROM THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL IN 2021, IT IS A CONSISTENT IMPACT AMONG BLACK, LATINOS,, ASIAN NATIVES -- ASIANS, NATIVES. ONE INFECTION FROM HIV ISN'T ENOUGH FOR ALL OF US. IT HAS TO BE FROM A PUBLIC HEALTH PERSPECTIVE SOUND THE ALARMS. BUT BLACK AND LATINOS, WE LATINOS USED TO BE THE MOST THIRD -- THE THIRD MOST IMPACTED AND WE ARE THE SECOND MOST IMPACTED. I ALWAYS TOLD PEOPLE THAT THE INTENTION AND THE AMAZING VISIONARY VISION OF THE LEADERSHIP LED BY CONGRESSWOMAN MAXINE WATERS THAT IS STILL THE VOICE OF THE VOICELESS REMIND US AND THE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO SHAPE RESOURCES FOR THOSE DEALING WITH HEALTH ISSUES AND HEALTH DISPARITIES AND HIV IN PARTICULAR IS WHAT REALLY HAS TO BE ANALYZED AND RECHECKED AT WILL, REMIND US OF HOW DIFFICULT IS THE MOMENT WE ARE LIVING RIGHT NOW. BUT I ALWAYS TOLD PEOPLE WHEN YOU LOOK HISTORICALLY IN THE U.S., ALL THESE SIGNPOSTS THAT REMIND ALL OF US OF THE OPENING BEAUTIFUL POINT TO BE AT THE TABLE. AND WE BELIEVE THAT IF YOU EMPOWER AND PROVIDE RESOURCES FOR COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS THAT AREN'T REFLECTING THOSE COMMUNITIES MOST IMPACTED, WE WILL BE ABLE TO SHAPE AND BRING A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE, COMMUNITY TRUST, THAT IS THE HIGHEST CURRENCY TO CONNECT AND TO ADDRESS A VERY COMPLEX ISSUE OF HIV. PEOPLE SAY TO ME, WHY WE DON'T HAVE A VACCINE, WHY WE DON'T HAVE A CURE. PEOPLE WORKING AROUND THE CLOCK FOR THOSE. BUT AS RIGHT NOW, OVER 30,000 NEW INFECTIONS, IT REMINDS US THAT WE CAN DO BETTER. AND ALSO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE 50 STATES, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE TERRITORIES, ESPECIALLY PUERTO RICO AND THE U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS. I REMIND FOLKS, AND THE U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS, 20% MORE OR LESS OF IMMIGRANTS AND MIGRANTS THAT GO AND WORK IN A DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES THAT ARE IN NOBODY'S RADAR IN TERMS OF DELIVERING AWARENESS AND SUPPORT SERVICES AND TESTING, THE KEY ELEMENTS TO IDENTIFY AND PREVENT THE SPREAD. MAYA, I REALLY WANT TO CHALLENGE ALL OF US, AND THE THING I THINK CAPTURE THEIR CALL TO ACTION FOR ALL OF US TO REALLY BRING BACK THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE 1998 MINORITY INITIATIVE TO PUT ONE PARTICULAR SET OF FUNDING DEDICATED TO THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT I REPRESENT THOSE MOST IMPACTED. ONE KEY ELEMENT THAT I ALWAYS REMIND FOLKS IS STRENGTHENING, ESPECIALLY THE INTERNAL INFRASTRUCTURE, BECAUSE I AM A BIG OPPONENT OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE BUT ALSO COMMUNITY -- BIG PROPONENT OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE BUT ALSO COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS. I THINK THAT IS CHALLENGE FOR A PANEL AND THE WHOLE PROGRAM TODAY. IQ, -- THANK YOU, MAYA. ...

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU, GUILLERMO. SHE IS THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF THE HIV AND INFECTIOUS DISEASE UNIT AT THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION IN ATLANTA. AND SO WE ARE DELIGHTED TO HAVE HER HERE NOT JUST AS THE HEAD OF THIS VERY IMPORTANT AGENCY SUBUNIT, BUT ALSO AS A JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY BLOOMBERG SCHOOL OF HEALTH GRADUATE. [APPLAUSE] THEY ARE EVERYWHERE. AND SO WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM AN INSIDERS PERSPECTIVE HOW THE CDC IS ACTUALLY USING THE MINORITY AIDS INITIATIVE DOLLARS AND ALSO WHAT PARTICULAR COMMUNITIES AND WHAT KIND OF INNOVATIVE TECHNIQUES AND APPROACHES ARE YOU USING TO ADDRESS THIS PARTICULARLY IN DISPROPORTIONALLY AFFECTED COMMUNITIES. ...

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Y'ALL KNOW I'M FROM CDC, SO I HAVE TO HAVE A FEW SLIDES. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE WARM WELCOME. IT TRULY DOES FEEL LIKE A HOMECOMING. HOPKINS AND BALTIMORE SPECIFICALLY IS WHERE MY LOVE OF PUBLIC HEALTH, HIV, AND HEALTH DISPARITIES WAS FIRST NURTURED AND SUPPORTED. IT MEANS SO MUCH FOR ME TO BE HERE TODAY GET. AT CDC WE ARE FOCUSED ON CLOSING PREVENTABLE RACIAL AND ETHNIC HEALTH DISPARITIES. ANYTIME I TALK ABOUT DISPARITIES, I THINK IT IS SO CRITICAL THAT WE START WITH THE REASON WHY THE DISPARITIES EXIST . WE HAVE TO FRAME IT BEFORE WE EVEN START TO TALK ABOUT DISPARITIES. THESE DISPARITIES EXIST BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT OF SYSTEMIC FACTORS AND LONG-STANDING INEQUITIES STARTING WITH RACISM, STARTING WITH WHITE SUPREMACY, THE IMPACT OF HOMOPHOBIA, TRANSPHOBIA, STIGMA, RESIDENTIAL SEGREGATION, ECONOMIC MARGINALIZATION, MASS INCARCERATION, ALL CONTRIBUTE SIGNIFICANTLY TO WHAT WE ARE SEEING. INSTANCES ARE HIGHER AMONG SAME-GENDER-LOVING MEN, WOMEN, LIKE PEOPLE, AND TRANSGENDER. THE BIGGEST GAPS WE SEE ARE AMONG BLACK AND HISPANIC PEOPLE. THE MORE HIV OUTBREAKS ARE AMONG PEOPLE WHO INJECTED DRUGS, THE SOUTHERN UNITED STATES HAS HIGHER RATES OF HIV THAN OTHER REGIONS COME VIRAL SUPPRESSION IS LOWER AMONG AMERICAN INDIANS, AFRICAN NATIVE, AND BLACK PEOPLE. THESE ARE SEVERE AND UNACCEPTABLE. LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AT CDC WITH A SPECIFIC FOCUS ON BLACK CIS AND TRANSGENDER WOMEN AND SAME-GENDER-LOVING MEN COULD. PREP IS HIGHLY EFFECTIVE TO PREVENT HIV. 99% WHEN TAKEN AS PRESCRIBED. BUT DATA FROM 2022 SHOWS THAT WHILE MORE THAN 40% OF MALES WHO BENEFIT WERE PRESCRIBED, ONLY 50% OF EMAILS WERE -- OF FEMALES WORK HIM AND ONLY 13% OF BLACK PEOPLE WERE PRESCRIBED IT. LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING. FIRST, THE HIV TOGETHER CAMPAIGN, A NATIONAL CAMPAIGN TO END THE HIV EPIDEMIC. WE STARTED #SHESWELL, PREP FOR WOMEN CAN WHICH IS FOCUSED ON INCREASING AWARENESS ABOUT PREP FOR WOMEN AND ELIMINATING PREP DISPARITIES THAT WE SEE. THIS HASHTAG WAS CREATED FOR AND BY BLACK WOMEN TO ENSURE THAT BLACK WOMEN SEE THEMSELVES IN THE MESSAGING WHICH ADDS TO THE IMPACT. A PORTFOLIO INCLUDES TOGETHER TAKE ME HOME. IF YOU HAVE NOT HEARD ABOUT IT, PLEASE GOOGLE IT, "TOGETHER TAKE ME HOME." YOU CAN GET A FREE HIV SELF TEST KIT THAT IS DELIVERED TO YOUR HOME. WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS THE FIRST EIGHT MONTHS OF THIS PROGRAM, OVER 300,000 HIV SELF-TEST KITS HAVE BEEN ORDERED. IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR WE LAUNCHED HER PREP, LOOKING TO INCREASE PREP AMONG BLACK WOMEN IN THE U.S. THE PURPOSE OF THIS STUDY IS TO EVALUATE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES AND INCREASE PREP USE AMONG BLACK WOMEN AND THEY ARE SEEKING CARE, IN PARTICULAR PRIMARY CARE, SEXUAL CARE, REPRODUCTIVE CARE CLINICS. AND THEN TRANSGENDER WOMEN, INVOLVING STRATEGIES FOR TRANSFORMATION, OR TWIST. THIS IS AN INTERVENTION WRITTEN FOR AND BY WOMEN OF TRANS EXPERIENCE WHICH AIMS TO INCREASE SEXUAL HEALTH KNOWLEDGE AND BUILD SELF-EFFICACY TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON PERSONAL VALUES AND GOALS. ANOTHER POPULATION DISPROPORTIONALLY AFFECTED BY HIV DUE TO THE LONG-STANDING INEQUITIES ARE BLACK AND LATINO SAME-GENDER-LOVING MEN. TO COMBAT THE DISPARITIES AT CDC, WE ARE FUNDING RESEARCH TO LOOK AT THE DRIVERS OF MEDICAL MISTRUST, IN PARTICULAR IN HISPANIC AND LATINO POPULATIONS, WITH SPECIAL ATTENTION TO SAME-GENDER-LOVING MEN. WE ARE FUNDING, AS GUILLERMO ELOQUENTLY SAID, COMMUNITY-BA SED ORGANIZATIONS DIRECTLY SERVING SAME-GENDER-LOVING MEN OF COLOR AND YOUNG TRANSGENDER PEOPLE OF COLOR. AND FINALLY, TAKE ME HOME. MORE THAN 60% OF THE HIV SELF-TEST KITS HAVE BEEN ORDERED BY SAME-GENDER-LOVING MEN. THIS IS ONE OF THE SOCIAL JUSTICE ISSUES OF OUR TIME. I STAND HERE ON THE SHOULDERS OF SO MANY BLACK AND BROWN, LGBT COMMUNITIES, PEOPLE LIVING WITH HIV, ACTIVISTS, CLINICIANS WHO HAVE DONE THIS WORK TO GET US TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN SAY WE CAN END THE EPIDEMIC. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL THERE TOGETHER. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] ...

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THANK YOU, DR. FANFAIR. THAT'S AWESOME. EXCELLENT. NEXT WE HAVE DR. JOSHUA SHARFSTEIN. HE IS AT THE BLOOMBERG SCHOOL OF -- ALSO OF PUBLIC HEALTH AT JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY. BUT I KNOW HIM FROM WAY BACK WHEN HE WAS THE HEAD OF THE BALTIMORE CITY HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOR A LONG TIME. HE ALSO LED TO THE STATE OF HEALTH AS WELL. AND HE WAS A GOOD FRIEND OF MY LATE HUSBAND. WITH THAT, DR. JOSH SHARFSTEIN. [APPLAUSE] ...

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THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYA. IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE ON WORLD AIDS DAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH TO ALL THE CENTERS AND PROGRAMS THAT SPONSORED TODAY. I WANT TO SAY, DR. FANFAIR WAS THE BALTIMORE CITY HEALTH DEPARTMENT LEADER AS WELL. IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE. I HAVE JUST A COUPLE SLIDES. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, WHICH IS THE IMPORTANCE OF OVERCOMING INEQUITIES IN THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IN ORDER TO MAKE CRITICAL PROGRESS ON HIV. AS DR. FANFAIR MENTIONED SOME OF THIS, BUT THIS IS THE LATEST DATA FROM CDC. IT IS JUST WORTH LOOKING AT FOR A SECOND HERE. THERE ARE MANY INEQUITIES IN HEALTH AND HEALTH CARE. THIS IS ONE OF THE PARTICULARLY STAGGERING ONES. IN THE LAST DATA, 78% OF WHITE AMERICANS WHO COULD BENEFIT FROM PREP RECEIVED IT, BUT IT WAS ONLY 11% OF BLACK, AFRICAN-AMERICANS, AND 21% OF HISPANIC, LATINO AMERICANS. JUST ENTER NORMA'S CAP -- JUST AN ENORMOUS GAP IN AXIS. DON'T WANT TO IMPLY THAT MEDICAL INTERVENTIONS ARE THE ONLY THING, BUT IT IS NO COINCIDENCE THAT TWO THIRDS OF NEW INFECTIONS ARE AMONG BLACKS AND HISPANICS. THE LATEST PRELIMINARY DATA FROM 2022 SHOWS THAT GAP HAS GROWN LARGER, AND IT ILLUSTRATES SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND. THE GREAT MEDICAL ADVANCE CAN TRANSLATE INTO MORE INEQUITIES IF IT GOES THROUGH THE PRISM OF AN INEQUITABLE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. WHEN PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO CARE, WHEN THE PEOPLE WHO CAN GET A GET HELP AND THE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T GET IT DON'T GET HELP THIS IS ONE OF THE STORIES OF HIV AND NOW IT IS A STORY OF PREP. WHAT IS KEEPING PEOPLE FROM PREP ? THERE ARE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT REASONS. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRST ONE, INADEQUATE ACCESS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO APPLY IS THE ONLY ONE. IF IMPLY IT IS THE ONLY ONE. THERE ARE SOCIAL FACTORS, THE WAY THAT RACISM AND HOMOPHOBIA EXPRESS THEMSELVES CAN INADEQUATE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT PREP, WHICH CDC IS WORKING ON FOR GREAT CAMPAIGNS, AND OTHER REASONS. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRST ONE FROM GETTING ACCESS TO MEDICATION. THAT IS WHY MY FOCUS IS ON THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS THE PRISM FOR GENERATING INEQUITIES. YOU HEARD THAT MOST OF THE GAPS IN HIV, OR A HUGE CHUNK OF IT, IS IN THE SOUTH. IT IS NO COINCIDENCE THAT MANY STATES IN THE SOUTH HAVE NOT EXPENDED ACCESS TO MEDICAID AND MANY DON'T HAVE INSURANCE. WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU ARE UNINSURED AND YOU WANT TO GET A MEDICINE THAT REQUIRES LAB TESTS TO PREVENT HIV INFECTION? AS DR. FANFAIR SAID, 99% FOR PREVENTION. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE DESTROYED, IT IS CONFUSING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ THIS CHART, IT IS CONFUSING -- YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ THIS CHART, IT IS CONFUSING. BASICALLY YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A LOT OF PAPERWORK. I TALKED TO A WOMEN DOING PHENOMENAL WORK IN ARKANSAS SHE SAYS THAT EVERYONE WANTS PREP. THERE'S JUST ONE PROBLEM, NOBODY CAN GET THE PREP. THERE IS A PHONE NUMBER YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CALL AND NOBODY PICKS IT UP IN THE STATE. DANGERFIELD FROM SCHOOL NURSING DID FOCUS GROUPS AT TALKED TO SOMEONE WHO SAID IT IS EXPENSIVE FOR A DISEASE I DON'T HAVE. YOU HAVE TO MAKE PREP EASY FOR PEOPLE. IT IS LIKE A VACCINE. IT WORKS 99% OF THE TIME FOR SEXUAL CONDUCT AND 70% FOR IV DRUG USE. YOU HAVE GOT TO MAKE IT EASY. IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE PROGRESS THAT WAS MADE IN MANY COMMUNITIES ON THE COVID VACCINE, IT IS BECAUSE IT WAS MADE EASY. BUT IF PEOPLE HAVE TO FILL OUT MONTHLY PAPERWORK AND PAY OUT-OF-POCKET COMPUTER CANNOT BE SURPRISED WHEN THERE IS YOU JEANETTE -- YOU CANNOT BE SURPRISED WHEN THERE IS HUGE INEQUITIES IN ACCESS. TO CUT THROUGH THE COMPLEXITY COME WE CANNOT RELY ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF AN INEQUITABLE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM TO CLOSE THESE STAGGERING AND GROWING GAPS IN ACCESS. I HAVE WORKED WITH MANY PEOPLE, MANY IN THIS ROOM, ON PUTTING FORTH THE IDEA OF A PREP PROGRAM THAT WOULD MAKE IT MUCH EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO GET PREP. YOU COULD GO TO THE PHARMACY AND GET IT FROM A PHARMACIST. IT WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF LOW-PRICED GENERIC PREP, THREE LABORATORY TESTS. FOR PEOPLE -- FREE LABORATORY TEST. FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST LIVED THROUGH THE PANDEMIC, IT IS LIKE WE DID FOR COVID, GO ANYWHERE AND GET A TEST, WE WILL PARTNER WITH COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS TO GET PEOPLE TESTING AND VACCINES DIRECTLY. THAT IS THE KIND OF PREP PROGRAM THAT IS NECESSARY. THE CRITICAL ROLE OF TRUSTED COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THOSE SUPPORTED BY THE MINORITY AIDS INITIATIVE AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR CDC TO BEGIN WORK ON THIS BY HAVING A PILOT THAT JUST FOCUSES ON MAKING PREP ACCESSIBLE. THERE IS EDUCATION ALONE WITHOUT THE ACCESS IS NOT A RECIPE FOR SUCCESS. HERE ARE A COUPLE OF SITES TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS. I APPRECIATE THE CHANCE TO TALK MORE ABOUT IT. I THINK THIS IS A MAJOR OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE INTO THE FUTURE AND TACKLE THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM AND INEQUITIES DARKLY FOR GREATER PROGRESS ON HIV. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] ...

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THANK YOU, DR. SHARFSTEIN. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE HAVE THE DIRECTOR OF POLICY -- I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH JOE OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF. HE IS A PASSIONATE AND COMPASSIONATE LEADER. HE GETS WHAT IS HAPPENING ON CAPITOL HILL AND WHY IT IS HAPPENING. AND HE IS GOING TO GIVE US A SENSE TODAY OF THE LANDSCAPE IN TERMS OF WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE HOUSE ASIDE AND THE SENATE SIDE AND WHAT IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN WITH REGARDS TO FUNDING AND WHY. EXPLAIN WHY, JOE. ...

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NO, THANK YOU. MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION. I DO WANT TO SAY FIRST, THANK YOU TO DR. CUMMINGS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW THIS, BUT SHE WROTE HER PHD DISSERTATION ON THE MIA. AND IT IS IN LARGE PART WITH HER BACKGROUND WITH CONGRESSWOMAN WATERS AND THE CDC, WHERE SHE WAS ALSO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, THAT WE GOT AS FAR AS WE DID WITH THE M.I.A. BECAUSE OF YOUR DRIVE THERE. IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHERE FOLKS AT NMAC THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE SOME TROUBLE REGARDING FUNDING. AND WHAT WE DID WAS WE PUT TOGETHER A GROUP TO TRY TO -- WHEN THE DOCTOR PUT THE STATS UP THERE AND WE SAW THE HUGE GAPS IN DISPARITY, THERE WAS A HUGE RED FLAG FOR US BECAUSE THE MONEY -- THE MIA FUNDS ARE NOT GETTING, IN OUR OPINION, TO THE ORGANIZATIONS AND THE COMMUNITIES THAT NEED THE FUNDING. THE MAI HAS MORPHED INTO $425 MILLION. THAT WAS OUR LATEST TARGET, ANYWAYS. MAXINE HAS WANTED TO GET IT OVER $600 MILLION, BUT THE POLITICS HAS GOTTEN IN THE WAY, AND IT IS GOING TO KILL PEOPLE BECAUSE THESE NUMBERS, PARTICULARLY WITH PREP AND FOLKS THAT CAN'T GET PREP, ARE GOING TO BE SUFFERING THE MOST. THE COMMUNITIES THAT NEEDED THE MOST ARE NOT GOING TO GET IT, AND IT IS GOING TO BE EXASPERATED BY THE POLITICS OF THIS. I REMEMBER WHEN -- I RETIRED FROM THE HILL IN 2017, AND MY FIRST BOSS WAS SENATOR KENNEDY, TED KENNEDY. WHEN THEY DID THE RYAN WHITE CARE ACT, WE SAW THAT THE MINORITY COMMUNITIES NEEDED THEIR OWN SEPARATE FUNDING. FAST-FORWARDED TO NMAC. WE TRIED TO UNPACK THE MAI. REMARKABLY, THE GOAL HERE WAS TO GET THE MONEY FROM MINORITY -- LET ME GET THIS RIGHT HERE -- MINORITY-SERVING ORGANIZATIONS BACK TO WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF MINORITY LED ORGANIZATIONS. THERE IS QUITE A BIG DIFFERENCE. WE BROUGHT MAYA TO HELP US LEAD THIS CHARGE AND WE PUT TOGETHER TONY NEWMAN, GUILLERMO WAS ON THE TEAM, AND WE WORKED WITH MAXINE'S OFFICE. WHAT WE FOUND OUT WAS THERE WAS NO STATUTORY FUNDING ATTACHED. WE SAID THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS MINORITY-LED ORGANIZATIONS. THAT WAS THE BELIEF FOR 25 YEARS. WE FOUND OUT WAS THERE REALLY IS NO HARDENED LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THAT. SO, WE WERE KIND OF STRUGGLING, IF YOU WILL, TO IDENTIFY A FIXED -- BECAUSE WE KNEW IT, SO WHAT WE DID, WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN DOING THIS LAST YEAR, WHAT WE DID WAS WE WERE ABLE TO GET REPORT LANGUAGE INTO THE BILL WHICH DIRECTED THE SECRETARY TO IDENTIFY WAYS TO BRING THE MAI FUND BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL INTENT. THEN THE POLITICS GOT WORSE, BECAUSE THE DOBBS DECISION CAME OUT, AND THE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION -- THE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION WAS BEING ARGUED IN FRONT OF THE SUPREME COURT. SO, WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THE LANGUAGE. BUT ENFORCING THE LANGUAGE WAS ANOTHER BALL OF WAX. WE MET WITH --AND MAYA WAS THERE -- WE MET WITH MAXINE'S OFFICE, AND SHE WAS QUITE FURIOUS. IF YOU KNOW MAXINE, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE ON HER BEDSIDE AT ANY EVEN POINT. -- AT HER BAD SIDE AT ANY GIVEN POINT. WE ARGUED WITH SECRETARY BECERRA AND THE DECISION WAS ULTIMATELY MADE IT TO HIT PAUSE AND NOT RATTLE THIS, BECAUSE THE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CASE, WHICH IT DID COME OUT THE WAY WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO COME OUT, THAT TARGETED SCHOOLS. WHAT IS TO STOP THEM TO GOING AFTER HEALTH FUNDING, TARGETED FUNDING FOR MINORITY COMMUNITIES COMMIT CETERA? -- MINORITY COMMUNITIES, ETC. CAN KNOW IT WAS A DANGEROUS AREA TO BE IN. SO WE HIT PAUSE, AND THEN THE HOUSE FLIPPED. WE ARE GOING TO WAIT AND PUT EFFORT FOOT ON THE GAS TO GET THE FUNDING REINSTATED -- I SAY REINSTATED BECAUSE IT IS STILL OUT THERE. WE WILL WORK WITH THE SENATE TO KEEP THE FUNDING IN THERE. LORD KNOWS WITH THIS CURRENT POLITICAL CLIMATE IN THE HOUSE HOW THIS GOING TO FALL OUT. UNDERSTANDING THIS, THEY COMPLETELY, COMPLETELY ELIMINATED THE EPIDEMIC LINE. COMPLETELY ELIMINATED THAT FUNDING. YEAH. THE HIV EPIDEMIC -- ACTUALLY IT WAS FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP THAT GOT THE MONEY GOING THERE. IT WAS IN ESSENCE A FUNDING INITIATIVE TO GET PREP INTO THE COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY NEED IT THE MOST. WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING AN INCREASE IN THAT FUNDING LINE THIS CONGRESS ZEROED IT OUT. AND THAT IS INTERESTING, BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE ON THE HILL, AND I SAY "WE" WHEN I SEE JESSE HERE -- WHEN OUR COALITION PARTNERS WERE ON THE HILL, THAT WAS OUR IN TO THE GOP OFFICES, THIS IS A TRUMP INITIATIVE. YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE OUT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S PROGRAM. PRESIDENT BIDEN DOUBLED DOWN TO ENDING THE EPIDEMIC BY I THINK 2030. BUT YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF CONGRESS THAT ZEROED OUT A TRUMP PROGRAM IS HIGHLY UNUSUAL FOR THEN WE STARTED DIGGING DEEPER. IT IS MORE THAN EHE. MAI WAS CUT TO THE TUNE OF $375 MILLION, RIGHT DOWN TO NOTHING. WHICH WILL EXASPERATE THE PROBLEM EVEN MORE SO. WE SAW THE FUNDING LINES WITHIN HIV ZEROED OUT OR DARNED NEAR ZEROED OUT. AND THAT IS VERY DANGEROUS BECAUSE WE ARE AT A POINT IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE WE REALLY EARNESTLY BELIEVE WE CAN STOP OR GET AS CLOSE TO STOPPING THE TRANSMISSION OF HIV IS POSSIBLE. NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO TAKE AWAY THE FUNDING. NOW IS THE TIME TO DOUBLE DOWN. THE POLITICS OF THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS, THOUGH. I WANT TO EMPHASIZE WE ARE IN A VERY UNKNOWN TERRITORY, PARTICULARLY WITH HIV FUNDING. SOMETIMES -- I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT TWO THINGS DRIVE ADVOCACY, AND ANGER IS NUMBER ONE. AND I AM GOING TO TALK MAYBE NOT HERE, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME WEBINARS PLANNED AT NMAC WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE ANGER IN THE COMMUNITIES. I WILL STOP THERE, MAYA, BUT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE MAI FUNDS -- ...

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00:48:33

NO, THAT IS A GOOD SEGUE, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO COME BACK THIS WAY. TO BE CLEAR, THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES -- CONGRESS IS BICAMERAL -- THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ZEROED OUT ON THE SENATE SIDE, IS THERE A DIFFERENT STORY? ...

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00:48:49

OUR EFFORTS IN GENERAL HAVE BEEN ON THE SENATE, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WITH THE CURRENT MAKEUP OF THE HOUSE, UNFORTUNATELY THE FREEDOM CAUCUS ARE CALLING THE SHOTS OVER THERE. AND SO APPROPRIATION BILLS ARE BEING STALLED. THEY COULDN'T EVEN GET THE CJS BILL OUT. WE THINK THE BETTER APPROACH IS, YES, WE RISK AND HASSLE -- WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN BEATING BACK THE AMENDMENT WHICH WOULD HAVE ELIMINATED THE FUNDING, THE HOUSING PROGRAM FOR PEOPLE WITH HIV AIDS. WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN BEATING BACK SOME OF THESE CUTS. BUT I THINK OUR EFFORTS HAVE TO BE FINE-TUNED IN THE SENATE, MAYA, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE HOUSE -- IF WE CAN'T BEAT BACK THESE AMENDMENTS, WE HAVE TO CHANGE COURSE AND GO TO THE SENATE, MUCH MORE FRIENDLIER TERRITORY, BY THE WAY. OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE HARD-PRESSED FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN EVEN IF IT GOT THROUGH THE SENATE FOR HIM TO SIGN SUCH A BILL THAT ELIMINATED HIS PROGRAM AND HIS FUNDING REQUEST. SO WE ARE IN A GOOD POSITION IN THE SENATE. HOUSE CHANGES BY THE DAY. ...

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SO, GUILLERMO, DR. FANFAIR MENTIONED RACISM, SEXISM, HOMOPHOBIA, ALL THE STRUCTURAL DISCRIMINATIONS AND HOW THEY ARE AT PLAY SHAPING THE EXPERIENCE AND THE NATURE OF THE RESPONSE. FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU AGREE THAT THAT IS WHAT IS ANIMATING SOME OF THESE ATTACKS ON FUNDING FOR HIV-AIDS? ...

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DEFINITELY, AND I APPRECIATE MY FELLOW SPEAKERS HERE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS IN PARTICULAR IS ONE OF THE MOST PAINFUL AND DIFFICULT CHALLENGES , THE STIGMA -- I'M TALKING ABOUT HOMOPHOBIA, TRANSPHOBIA, NOW XENOPHOBIA ALSO -- THAT IS ANOTHER BARRIER. AND I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE THAT FROM THE PUBLIC HEALTH PERSPECTIVE WE CANNOT WALK AWAY FROM SOCIAL ISSUES AND ESPECIALLY STIGMA ASSOCIATED WITH SOME POPULATIONS AND SOME COMMUNITIES THAT WILL BE A MAJOR BARRIER. AND WHEN YOU GO DEEPER IN THE SOUTH, MOST OF THE HIV INFECTIONS AND AN INCREASE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS OF SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED INFECTIONS ARE IN THE SOUTH. AND IT IS WHERE WE HAVE THE BIGGEST ISSUES TO ACCESS HEALTH CARE. THAT IS A CRITICAL PART. AND ALL THESE STIGMAS WILL BE A MAJOR BARRIER. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE MORE PERSONAL IN TERMS OF HISPANIC, LATINX, OR LATINOS, LATINAS, WE HAVE TO DELIVER THE MESSAGE IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH AND SOME DIALECTS AS WELL. YOU DEAL WITH THOSE FROM HONDURAS AND MIAMI, BUT ESPECIALLY NEW YORK, THEY SPEAK THEIR OWN LANGUAGE. YOU GO TO NEW YORK AND THE SOMEBODY YOU WILL HEAR SPEAKING, PEOPLE SAY, WHAT THEY SPEAKING? I TELL PEOPLE, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THOSE REALITIES. AND WHEN YOU BRING THE ISSUE OF THESE STIGMAS THAT DR. FANFAIR WAS MENTIONING, AND MAKES IT MORE COMPLICATED. ALSO WHEN I COME BACK, THE BEST THING WHEN WE DISH THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IS -- THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IS GENERATE POLITICAL WILL, THESE DAYS IT'S VERY COMPLICATED. BUT IT IS ALSO ABOUT LEADERSHIP. PUBLIC HEALTH WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE IN MANY, MANY BUDGETS AND AGENDAS IF EACH OF US AND ALL OF US DO NOT MAKE ACCOUNTABLE AND CHALLENGE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. AND JOE DID A GREAT JOB TO GIVE US THE UPDATE OF THE LANDSCAPE. BUT I WANT TO REMIND ALL OF US THAT THE THING THAT WE USE DISH WE PUT TOGETHER A BIG HEALTH POLICY SUMMIT TO ADDRESS THE FEDERAL ISSUE FOR HISPANIC, LATINX PERSPECTIVE, WE WANT TO BRING ALSO THE ISSUE OF HAVE CLARITY ABOUT BRINGING AND RESCUING 1998, THE MINORITY AIDS INITIATIVE, BREAK IT DOWN TO ENSURE THAT COMMUNITIES LED BY BLACK FOLKS, LATINOS, HISPANICS, ASIANS, AND A NATIVE'S ARE RESCUED IN ORDER TO BE A KEY PARTNER AND TO BE ON THE TABLE CHASING AGENDA AND CHASING PRIORITIES. THANK YOU. ...

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00:53:49

AND IN FACT, IS THAT NOT AN EVIDENCE-BASED STRATEGY? DR. SHARFSTEIN AND DR. FANFAIR, AND THE PUBLIC HEALTH WORLD THERE ARE ALL THESE FANCY TERMS. ONE BASICALLY MEANS MATCH. THE RESEARCH SHOWS THAT CULTURALLY APPROPRIATE INTERVENTIONS MATTER FOR COMMUNITIES THAT ARE UNDERREPRESENTED IN HISTORICALLY MARGINALIZED. THE WHOLE NOTION OF IF YOU HAVE A DOCTOR THAT IS OF THE SAME RACIAL OR ETHNIC OR LINGUISTIC COMPARABILITY WITH THE PATIENT THEY ARE SEEING, THAT PATIENT IS MORE LIKELY TO HAVE EFFECTIVE OUTCOMES. THE SAME THING, THE EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THE SAME THING HOLDS TRUE FOR COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS, THAT IF YOU HAVE COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS LED BY THE POPULATION GROUPS MOST AFFECTED AND THEY ARE SERVING AND WORKING IN WITH THOSE COMMUNITIES, THE OUTCOMES ARE GOING TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE. THAT IS EVIDENCE-BASED. IS THAT NOT CORRECT, DR. SHARFSTEIN? ...

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I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. [LAUGHTER]

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SO IT IS NOT JUST A MATTER OF -- WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT, OH, THEY'RE JUST COMPLAINING THEY WANT TO GET MONEY. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EVIDENCE-BASED STRATEGIES, SCIENTIFICALLY SHOWN EVIDENCE-BASED STRATEGIES. ...

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00:55:19

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE AND YOU ARE RIGHT THAT THERE IS A MAJOR UNDERREPRESENTATION PROGRAM IN MEDICINE AND THAT HAS CONSEQUENCES FOR HIV AND ANY OTHER DISEASES FOR PEOPLE TO GET CARE AND FEEL COMFORTABLE IN CARE. MORE BROADLY, RACISM HAS SHAPE TO THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IN THE UNITED STATES AND ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE IN THE UNITED STATES. IT IS LIKE TRUDGING UP A MOUNTAIN WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE PROGRESS ON AN ISSUE WHEN THE MOUNTAIN IS ALL OBSTACLES THAT HAVE BEEN THROWN IN HALF AN DECADE UPON DECADE OF DISCRIMINATION AND BIAS. THAT IS WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE YOU ARE CLIMBING THE MOUNTAIN. IT IS IMPORTANT TO SEE THE MOUNTAIN AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE THINKING ABOUT HOW DO WE CUT THROUGH IT, HOW DO WE DEVELOP A STRATEGY FOR ENGAGING WITH THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, GETTING MORE PROVIDERS WHO REPRESENT COMMUNITIES AND ARE WORKING WITH THEM, AND GETTING MORE PROGRAMS AND PATHWAYS THAT ACTUALLY CAN BRING CARE TO PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE IN WAYS THAT DON'T REQUIRE THEM TO BASICALLY DO THE IMPOSSIBLE IN ORDER TO GET THE TREATMENT THEY NEED. ...

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DR. FANFAIR, I THOUGHT THAT I HEARD YOU ALL WERE FUNDING STRATEGIES THAT SEEK TO DO THAT. IN LIGHT OF THE CONCERNS AND CONSIDERATIONS ABOUT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION LAWS AND WHAT THAT MIGHT MEAN FOR FUNDING GROUPS THAT ARE LED BY COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, HOW IS THE CDC INTERPRETING HOW TO APPROACH LEVERAGING EVIDENCE-BASED STRATEGIES THAT RELY ON RACIAL AND ETHNIC AND LINGUISTIC CONCORDANCE IN ORDER TO HAVE EFFECTIVE OUTCOMES? ...

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THANK YOU, MAYA. I ALSO WANTED TO GO BACK TO YOUR LAST COMMENT AND PIGGYBACK OFF OF JOSH'S RESPONSE. IN ADDITION TO MY JOB AT CDC, I SERVE AS A MEDICAL PROVIDER FOR PEOPLE LIVING WITH HIV. ONLY 2% OF PHYSICIANS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE BLACK WOMEN, 5% ARE BLACK. THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE, YOU CAN SEE THAT INCONGRUENCE WITH PEOPLE LIVING WITH HIV. IT IS SO IMPORTANT AND SO INSPIRING BEING HERE, SEEING SO MANY WONDERFUL FACES OF YOUNG PEOPLE BEING HERE, BECAUSE YOU ARE THE NEXT GENERATION OF LEADERS. IT IS BEAUTIFUL TO SEE SO MANY FACES FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD HERE AND INSPIRED TO DO THIS WORK. THE WAY THAT US AT CDC ARE INTERPRETING IT IS THAT IT HAS TO BE COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS. WE HAVE OVER 96 COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS AND 36 THAT DIRECTLY SERVE SAME-GENDER-LOVING MEN AND PEOPLE OF TRANS EXPERIENCE YOU ARE OF COLOR, BLACK AND HISPANIC LATINOS. THAT IS THE WAY WE DIRECTED THE FUNDS, AND INTERNALLY WE ARE DOING INVESTIGATIONS TO SEE WHO LEADS THESE SUB COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS. WE HAVE SOME REALLY PROMISING DATA WE HAVE SEEN FROM INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS THAT WE AT CDC REALLY DO SUPPORT THE INITIAL MISSION, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO, WE CANNOT USE RACE AS A WAY TO DIRECT THE FUNDS, SO IT IS AFTER THE FUNDS HAVE BEEN AWARDED TO THE COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS THAT SERVE THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT HOPEFULLY IT IS LED BY -- WE WELCOME WHAT YOU ARE SUPPORTING AS WELL TO RETURN IT TO ITS INITIAL INTENT. ...

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00:58:50

SO WHY CAN'T YOU USE RACE, JUST TO BE CLEAR?

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BECAUSE OF THE WORDING THAT'S IN THE STATUTE.

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OK. I WANT TO PIVOT TO THE SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH. WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE BURDEN OF THIS DISEASE IS NOW ACTUALLY BEING DISPROPORTIONATELY BORNE ON COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE 30% -- AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND LATINOS ARE JUST 30% OF THE U.S. POPULATION, THEY WERE 60% OF -- THEY WERE 67% OF NEW INFECTIONS IN 2019. DID YOU HEAR ME? 67% OF NEW INFECTIONS IN 2019, ONLY 30% OF THE POPULATION. THERE ARE LIKELY A FRIDAY BANK OF THE FACTORS -- A VARIETY OF FACTORS DRIVING THIS. BY THE WAY, THOSE DISPARITIES HAVE BEEN APPARENT, BY THE WAY, SINCE ALMOST THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE DISEASE. THE CDC FIGURES SHOW THAT IN THE LATE 1980'S, CIRCA 1987, THE INCIDENCE OF HIV-AIDS AND AFRICAN-AMERICANS SURPASSED THAT OF WHITE AMERICANS. THAT WAS BACK IN 1987. YES, DR. SHARFSTEIN? ...

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FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT PERCENTAGE HAS GOTTEN HIGHER OVER TIME SINCE 2019 SECOND, YOUR POINT MAKES ME THINK OF -- WE HAVE SOMEONE AT THE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH WHO WORKS ON HIV AMONG BLACK WOMEN IN THE SOUTH. IT IS A POPULATION THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE. AND SHE FOCUSES HER WORK ON THE RISK OF INTIMATE-PARTNER VIOLENCE AND THE INTERPLAY WITH HOUSING ACCESS, SAFETY, AND HIV RISK. WHAT SHE FINDS IS THAT YOU CANNOT JUST THINK ABOUT HIV BY ITSELF WHEN IT RELATES TO THE RELATIONSHIP PEOPLE ARE IN AND THE FEARS PEOPLE HAVE FOR THEIR SAFETY AND THEIR ABILITY TO BE SAFE LITERALLY IN HOUSING. THAT IS ONE OF MANY EXAMPLES OF HOW SOCIAL FACTORS AND SOCIAL DETERMINANTS DETERMINISM ARE ESSENTIAL TO UNDERSTANDING, FIRST OF ALL, THE ARMS DISPARITIES, AND THEN CREATING A VISION FOR HOW YOU CAN MAKE PROGRESS. PEOPLE HAVE TO FEEL SAFE, THEY NEED OPTIONS, THEY NEED ACCESS, AND THEY NEED SUPPORT IN DIFFERENT WAYS. AND THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. THERE SHOULD BE HEALTH CARE IN PROGRAMS FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING INTIMATE-PARTNER VIOLENCE BECAUSE PREP, FOR EXAMPLE, COULD BE USEFUL, BUT OFTENTIMES THERE AREN'T. THE SERVICES ARE SILOED. THERE SHOULD BE SERVICES FOR INTIMATE-PARTNER VIOLENCE IN HIV CARE. THIS IS ONE OF THE MAIN POINTS SHE MAKES. I THINK OF HER AND I THINK OF THIS PARTICULAR VERY TANGIBLE ISSUE AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. ...

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01:01:46

I WANT DR. FANFAIR TO PICK UP, BUT I WANT FOLKS TO GET READY FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE, AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE VOLUNTEERS WHO WILL BE WANDERING AROUND WITH MICROPHONES. RAISE YOUR HAND, VOLUNTEERS, THOSE WITH MICROPHONES. WE'VE GOT ONE OVER HERE, AND WHERE IS THE OTHER? ALL RIGHT. OK, OVER HERE. GET READY WITH YOUR QUESTIONS. RAISE YOUR HAND AND THEY WILL COME TO YOU. DR. FANFAIR. ...

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01:02:15

I WOULD JUST ADD THAT SO MANY OF THE SYSTEMIC ISSUES THAT WE SEE ARE LEADING TO THESE DISPARITIES WE ARE SEEING. ONE WOULD BE ACCESS TO SAFE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND ONE THING I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THIS PAST YEAR IS THE COORDINATION BETWEEN "NONTRADITIONAL PARTNERS" AT THE TABLE SPEAKING ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF HOUSING AND SEXUAL HEALTH, BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. COMING FROM BALTIMORE, AS JOSH SAID, I HAD SO MANY PATIENTS WHO I HAD THE HONOR OF SERVING WHO WERE IN AND OUT OF INCARCERATION BECAUSE OF THE MASS INCARCERATION THAT IMPACTED BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES, THE OVER POLICING OF BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES, WHERE WE HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT THEM IN ACHIEVING VIRAL SUPPRESSION AND WHEN THEY ARE IN AND OUT THEY ARE NOT VIRALLY SUPPRESSED ANYMORE. HOUSING, INTIMATE-PARTNER VIOLENCE, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, IT IS BIGGER THAN THE MEDICAL MODEL OF HIV BUT IT IMPACT THE DISPARITIES WE ARE SEEING. ...

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01:03:19

DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING?

01:03:21

THANK YOU, MAYA. I WANT TO REMIND AND CHALLENGE ALL OF US, THERE HAS BEEN A SUSTAINED INCREASE AND IMPACT IN BLACK AND LATINO AND ASIAN AND NATIVE AMERICANS, BUT ESPECIALLY BLACK AND LATINOS AND LATINAS. I THINK THAT ISSUE HAS TO BE A HUGE RED FLAG FOR ALL OF US. AND I REALLY RESPECT AND ADMIRE ANYBODY AT THE PUBLIC LEVEL WORKING FOR A CITY, COUNTY, STATE, AND DEFINITELY AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, BECAUSE I KNOW, MANY OF US KNOW HOW HARD YOU WORK FOR A GOVERNMENT ENTITY. I WANT TO REMIND US THAT WE NEED TO PUT ENERGY AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL BUT DON'T FORGET OUR STATE AND TERRITORIES, BECAUSE THEY SHAPE AND DECIDE AND PUT TOGETHER THE GUIDELINES OF HOW HEALTH CARE IS DELIVERED COME IN THE 50 STATES AND THE TERRITORIES. THE OTHER PIECE I WANT TO REMIND ALL OF US IS THAT ALL OF THE SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH -- I DEFINITELY AGREE WE CANNOT PUT HIV ALONE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE A POPULATION, A LARGE POPULATION LIVING WITH HIV OVER 50. WE KNOW -- I AM 60. LOOKS GOOD, BUT 60, THAT IS THE REALITY. COMORBIDITIES ARE ANOTHER CHALLENGE. A NATION MUST BE JUDGED BASED ON YOUR BUDGET PRIORITIES. I THINK IT IS AN ISSUE ABOUT OUR CONSCIENCE AS A NATION THAT WE CANNOT LEFT ANYBODY BEHIND. WE MUST DO SOMETHING DEALING WITH THE ILLNESS THAT THEIR 100% PREVENTABLE -- THAT ARE 100% PREVENTABLE. WE NEED TO CHECK OUR OWN INTERNAL BIASES, OUR OWN RACISM, OUR INTERNAL HOMOPHOBIA, TRANSPHOBIA, HOW WE ENGAGE AND HOW WE BRING AND CONNECT WITH PEOPLE WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY IS CRUCIAL. AND I THINK THE OPENING REMARKS, I LOVE THAT POINT BECAUSE IF -- IT IS ABOUT ENSURE THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE DEALING WITH AN ISSUE ARE THE TABLE. IF WE ARE NOT AT THE TABLE, WE ARE PART OF THE MENU AND SOMEONE WILL BE CHOOSING FOR US. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] ...

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SO, BEING AT THE TABLE AS PART OF THE POLITICAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH. DO WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM THE AUDIENCE? YES? SIR?

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MINING IS LUDLOW -- MY NAME IS LUDLOW. I'M A FORMER COMMISSION OFFICER AND I WORKED AT NIH IN THE HIV-AIDS BUREAU. I SEE CAPTAIN FANFAIR, WORKING WITH CDC, AND I DON'T SEE ANY REPRESENTATION FROM HIV-AIDS BUREAU, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I ALWAYS FOUND WAS THAT THERE IS NO COURT NATION BETWEEN AGENCY -- NO COORDINATION BETWEEN AGENCIES, I.E. RYAN WHITE CARE ACT, BECAUSE I WAS THERE WHEN -- BACK IN, I GUESS, LATE 1990'S, EARLY 2000S, WHEN MAXINE WATERS BECAME INVOLVED. I CAME BACK, I WENT TO THE CDC MEETING AND RAISE THE ISSUE OF HOW MINORITY COMMUNITIES WERE IMPACTED. I WENT BECAUSE I KNEW ABOUT THE CDC. NO ONE ELSE FROM THE BUREAU WENT. I CAME BACK AND WARNED THEM, AND WE HAD TO PUT OUT A PROPOSAL TO MEASURE THE IMPACT OF RYAN WHITE CARE ACT MINORITY COMMUNITIES. THAT IS THE TIME YOU WERE WORKING WITH THEM, DR. CUMMINGS. ...

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WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME OF THAT? WAS IT A REPORT?

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IT WAS SOME REPORT. BUT THE OUTCOME OF THE REPORT WAS -- I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T RECALL.

01:07:44

WE DIDN'T KNOW EACH OTHER, BUT YOU WERE IN THE SAME ROOMS I WAS IT.

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WE KNEW EACH OTHER FROM ANOTHER CONNECTION. YOUR HUSBAND AND I WERE CLASSMATES.

01:07:54

WERE YOU A CITY GRAD?

01:07:58

NO, FROM HOWARD.

01:08:02

HOWARD UNIVERSITY.

01:08:02

WE'VE TALKED.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH.

01:08:05

HOW COME THERE IS NO SEEMING COORDINATION BETWEEN HRSA, HIV-AIDS BUREAU, AND CDC IN TERMS OF WHAT IT IS YOU ARE DOING? THAT IS MY OBSERVATION.

01:08:22

WE COULD HAVE HAD A WHOLE PANEL WITH GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT KIND OF TIME. I DO THINK THAT -- YEAH, GO AHEAD.

01:08:32

I DEFINITELY LIKE TO SPEAK FOR CDC, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR OTHER AGENCIES, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE STRONG PARTNERSHIP WE HAVE WITH EACH RSA -- WITH HRSA. JUST ON THE HIV INITIATIVE, HRSA AND CDC ARE THE IMPLEMENT PARTNERS, AND SO WE WORK STRONGLY IN PARTNERSHIP ALSO FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. WE FINISHED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS WITH HRSA AND CDC WHERE WE WENT AROUND ALL OF THE REGIONS TO SPEAK DIRECTLY ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. WE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT, AS YOU ARE SAYING, THE PARTNERSHIP THAT NEEDS TO BE THERE, HOW WE CAN SUPPORT FUNDING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNICATION IS GOING ON BETWEEN THE AGENCIES. THAT CONNECTION HAS DEVELOPED AND IS GROWING AND IS THERE AND THEY ARE GREAT PARTNERS WITH CDC. MAYA HE BRINGS UP: A POINT ABOUT COORDINATION. THE QUESTION BECOMES WITH HOUSING, WITH ALL OF THESE AGENCIES THAT HAVE A PIECE OF THESE MONIES, HOW DO WE ACTUALLY REINFORCE COORDINATION IN WAYS THAT ACTUALLY WORK ON THE GROUND FOR THOSE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING WHO ARE AT RISK OR WORKING WITH HIV/ DID YOU WANT TO JUMP IN, DR. SHARFSTEIN? ...

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01:09:53

THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION FOR HIV AND IT IS NOT UNIQUE TO HIV. THERE ARE MANY ISSUES WHERE THERE ARE MULTIPLE AGENCIES WORKING ON THE PARTICULAR CHALLENGE. WE SAW SOME OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS DURING THE PANDEMIC WHEN THERE WAS DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAPPENED. THE COMMONWEALTH FUND HAD A NATIONAL COMMISSION TO LOOK AT HHS AND THE CHALLENGING QUESTION OF HOW HHS COULD BE BETTER ORGANIZED AND SERVE BETTER COORDINATION SO COME JUST LIKE YOU SAID, MAYA, THE -- FIRST OF ALL, THE INDIVIDUALS, THE CITIZENS, THE RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, THAT THEY ARE SEEING COHERENCE AND NOT JUST GETTING HIT FROM MULTIPLE ANGLES. THAT IS A COMMON CHALLENGE. THIS COMMISSION RECOMMENDED A NEW UNDERSECRETARY FOR HEALTH WITH THE MISSION OF ORGANIZING ACROSS AGENCIES TO GET THAT KIND OF SUPPORT AND COHERENCE FOR PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUES. I HESITATE TO BRING UP SUCH A BIG TOPIC. IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS WEEK AND WE ARE HOPING -- BUT I DO THINK THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT -- HIV, PART OF THE MOUNTAIN WITH HIV YOU HAVE TO CLIMB SOMETIMES, WHEN THAT FALTERS -- ALTHOUGH I THINK THAT HIV IS A MODEL MORE THAN OTHER ISSUES FORGETTING THAT COORDINATION DONE. ...

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01:11:17

VERITYVERY GOOD. THERE ARE TWO QUESTIONS HERE AND THEY WILL BE THE LAST FOUR QUESTIONS.

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MY NAME IS TIFFANY AND I'VE BEEN LIVING WITH HIV FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS. I AM PART OF THAT -- [APPLAUSE] I THINK THAT IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HIV, WE DO HAVE TO ADDRESS PEOPLE WHO ARE AGING WITH HIV. WE WERE LINKING PEOPLE TO CARE AND PEOPLE LOST TO CARE, AND WE ENDED UP LOSING THE FUNDING AFTER ABOUT 10 YEARS, AND A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE LOST TO CARE, WE LOST TO THEM. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S ANYONE'S FAULT, BUT I ALWAYS SAY THAT THE CURE IS IN THE ROOM, -- THE CURE IS IN THE ROOM. BACK THEN PEOPLE WERE GETTING PCB AND WE WERE FIGHTING FOR THEM TO LIVE. NOW WE HAVE THE MEDICATION AND WE CANNOT GET THEM OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY. MY QUESTION IS IF THIS CDC OR HRSA HAS A SOMEONE WHO CAN COME TO US VS. US COMING TO YOU ALL, BECAUSE I HAVE MY OWN ORGANIZATION BUT I ALSO HAVE TO WORK TO LIVE, I'M A SCHOOLTEACHER. MY HUSBAND GOT A KIDNEY TRANSPLANT LAST YEAR THROUGH THE OPEN PROGRAM. THERE IS A LOT OF COMORBIDITIES WE ARE DEALING WITH. YOU GUYS SHOW UP AND THEY ARE AFRAID BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED OF GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. WE KNOW WHAT TO DO, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO IT. IS THERE ANYWAY WAY WE COULD GET LIAISONS TO COME TO US? I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GRANT WRITING, BUT I DON'T KNOW A LOT. A LOT OF WHAT WE GET WE GET THROUGH PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES OR GRANTS THAT ARE LIKE NON--- THEY ARE NOT GOVERNMENT GRANTS. I JUST WANTED TO COMMEND YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. [APPLAUSE] ...

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR QUESTION YOUR NEW COMMENT. I SAW YOU SHOW YOUR TESTIMONY -- SHARE YOUR TESTIMONY. YOU HAVE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE FUND FOR CAPACITY BUILDING AND WE HEAR SO OFTEN WHEN WE GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY THAT SMALLER COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS NEED THAT SUPPORT FOR GRANT WRITING. THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING I WILL TAKE BACK TO THEAND HOW AS WE THINK OF NEW NOTICES OF FUNDING THAT CAN BE INTEGRATED TO HELP SUPPORT THE ...

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01:13:51

GRANT WRITING THAT IS NEEDED >> THE REAUTHORIZATION OF THE OLDER AMERICANS ACT IS COMING UP NEXT YEAR, AND NMAC IS PUTTING TOGETHER A PANEL, WE JUST SENT OUT AN INVITATION YESTERDAY, OR MAYBE TUESDAY, TO GET TOGETHER GROUPS TO TALK ABOUT HOW DO WE WANT, WHAT ARE OUR ASKS FOR THE REAUTHORIZATION OF THE OAA. BECAUSE THE AGING COMMUNITY IS NOW THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS LIVING WITH HIV. SO IT'S VERY MUCH ON THE MINDS OF ADVOCATES. WE KNOW THAT. IT'S JUST NOW HONING IN ON, HONING IN AND BALANCING, RIGHT? BALANCING THE CURRENT CONGRESS WITH WHAT WE THINK WE COULD GET AND THEN HONING IN ON A SPECIFIC ASK TO ADDRESS NOT ONLY THE GRANTS BUT THE CARE FOR SENIORS AND OLDER AMERICANS LIVING WITH HIV. ...

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01:14:44

OK. NEXT QUESTION. WHO'S GOT THE MIC? HI.

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HI, MAYA. GOOD TO SEE YOU.

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YOU, TOO.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO, WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THE DISPARITIES THAT ARE IN ALMOST EVERY SECTOR OF OUR NATION. THAT IS SO GREAT IN WHO IS EXPERIENCING HIV AND WHAT SERVICES OR LACK THEREOF THEY ARE RECEIVING. MY QUESTION IS, IF WE CANNOT LET THAT RACE -- LOOK AT RACE AND WHAT MY NIECE OR WHATNOT, IS PROVIDED FOR GRANTS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. ESSENTIALLY -- SINCE WE KNOW THAT THE BASE, A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT SERVE PEOPLE OF COLOR, ESPECIALLY BLACK PEOPLE, ARE NOT NECESSARY LED BY BLACK PEOPLE AND WE KNOW THAT, AND THE HISTORY OF IT IS THAT, HOW DO WE FIND EQUITY IN PROVIDING FOR THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AND THOSE GROUPS THAT ARE BEING LED BY BLACK PEOPLE SINCE THEY ARE SO -- SINCE THERE ARE SO MANY MORE OF THEM BEING IMPACTED BUT NOT RECEIVING THE PROPER SERVICES, OR ARE DISAPPEARING? HOW DO WE DO THAT WITHOUT, I DON'T KNOW, VIOLATING POLICY? OR HOW DO WE STEP BACK AND SAY POLICY SHOULD BE FOR EQUITY TO GET EVERYONE TO WHERE WE ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE? AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT NOT LOOKING AT RACE AND WHATNOT. ...

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SO, IF NOBODY WANTS TO TOUCH THAT, I'LL TAKE IT. DO YOU WANT TO TAKE IT?

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IT'S A VERY COMPLEX QUESTION. I WILL SAY THAT. HEALTH EQUITY IN TERMS OF -- AND I UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY OF NOT IDENTIFYING RACE OR NOT OVERTLY, I GUESS, IDENTIFYING RACE WHEN WE DEAL WITH FEDERAL DOLLARS. THAT WAS WHOLE INTENT OF THE MAI, RIGHT? AND THAT I THINK IS WHY WE ARE LOOKING, WELL, I BELIEVE IT IS IT IS ONE OF THE DRIVING FORCES WHY WE ARE HERE TO KEEP THOSE FINDINGS, TO KEEP THAT FUNDING IN PLACE. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY I THINK WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS IS JUST BE -- JUST HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE POLITICS OF IT RIGHT NOW IN TODAY'S DAY AND AGE, AND KNOWING WHEN TO PULL BACK AND JUST TRY TO -- IN OTHER WORDS, A WIN SOMETIMES IS KEEPING THE STATUS QUO, RIGHT? UO, RIGHT? AND UNTIL THE POLITICAL CLIMATE CHANGES AND PERHAPS EVEN THE COURT CHANGES, I THINK THEN YOU CAN REALLY DRIVE IN TO THE RACIAL FACTORS OF FEDERAL FUNDING. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A TIME TO DO THAT. ...

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YEAH, I JUST WANT AT COME THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION AND FOR THE PREVIOUS QUESTION. I WILL ONLY SAY THAT WE NEED TO WORK HARD TO ELECT INDIVIDUALS THAT UNDERSTAND THAT THE PATH FOR EQUITY IS THAT. THE U.S. HAS BEEN CHANGING. LOOK SINCE 1990 CENSUS DATA, ALL THE WAY TO THE LAST ONE IN 2020. I CHALLENGE THAT WE WON THE ELECTION OF THE LEVEL TO UNDERSTAND THAT A DIVERSITY IS ITS STRENGTH BUT ALSO A CHALLENGE TO CREATE WILL, TO SHAPE POLICY AND ESPECIALLY PUBLIC HEALTH POLICY THAT WILL ADDRESS THE REALITIES THAT WE FACE ON THE GRANT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION. ...

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AND I JUST WANT TO SAY AND WHAT ACTUALLY TO WRAP UP BECAUSE THE NEXT CONVERSATION IS ABOUT THIS ISSUE. HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY GET TO EQUITY, GIVEN THE CURRENT CLIMATE? HOW DO YOU DO EQUITY IN THE FACE OF ANTI-AFFIRMATIVE ACTION LAWS AND SENTIMENT? AND ANOTHER JEFF CROWLEY IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A COMPELLING GOVERNMENTAL INTEREST NARROWLY TAILORED SOLUTION SO WE'LL GET TO THAT IN THE NEXT CONVERSATION. SO LET'S GET A ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR THIS EXCELLENT PANEL. [APPLAUSE] ...

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I WOULD LIKE TO SAY JUST ONE THING, MAYA. WHEN YOU MAKE SHOULD BE IN SAME BREATH AS YOUR HUSBAND, I PROBABLY SHOULD SESAME RIGHT AWAY BUT HE ALWAYS GET A LITTLE OVERWHELMED WENT WHEN THAT COME ANY MENTION OF ME WITH CONGRESSMAN CUMMINGS COMES UP. I JUST WANTED TO SAY HOW MUCH HE WOULD'VE APPRECIATED THIS DISCUSSION. ...

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IN IN FACT, YOU'LL SHOULD KNOW THAT ACTUALLY HE WAS THE FIRST MEMBER OF CONGRESS TO ACTUALLY GRANT ME AT INTERVIEW FOR MY DISSERTATION BACK IN 1998. AND THAT IS HOW WE MET, THROUGH THIS INITIATIVE. [APPLAUSE] SO, YEAH. SO AGAIN, A ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR AUDIENCE AND THEN WE WOULD GO TO THE NEXT PANEL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. [APPLAUSE] [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] ...

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WE ARE MOVING RIGHT TO OUR NEXT SESSION. SO -- IT IS NOW MY HONOR AND A LIGHT TO WELCOME TO THE STATE AND INTRODUCE TO YOU ARE FIRESIDE CHAT PARTICIPANTS. AS A CALL INTRODUCE EACH ONE I ASK YOU TO COME TO THE STAGE. THE FIRST PERSON IS OUR COMMENTATOR JAHMAL SIMAS. HE WILL SERVE AS A HOST FOR TODAY'S CHAT. A LONGTIME COMMUNICATIONS PROFESSIONAL, INVESTMENT CAMPING OPERATIVE WHO ARE SINCE WORK WITH CLINTON, GORE, AND OBAMA, JAMAL MOST WEAKLY SERVED AS DEPUTY ASSISTANT TO PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN AND A COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR TO VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS. HE ALSO HAS WORKED AS POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR FOR CBS NEWS AND NPR AND IS HOSTED DIGITAL INTERVIEWS. FOR ALMOST A DECADE HE HAS WORKED AS PRINCIPAL AT THE GROUP OR HE ADVISED CORPORATE POLITICAL AND FOUNDATIONAL LEADERS. WELCOME, COMMENTATOR JAMAL SIMMONS. [APPLAUSE] AND JOINING JAMAL ONSTAGE FOR OUR FIRESIDE CHAT GUESTS INCLUDING LORI WHO IS A SENIOR GOVERNMENT RELATIONS COUNCIL AT KELLY DRIVE WITH MORE THAN A QUARTER OF THE CENTURY WORKING IN AND AROUND CAPITOL HILL. LAURA HAS SERVED AS CHIEF OF STAFF TO SENATOR RICHARD BLUMENTHAL, AS LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR FOR SENATOR KELLY RODHAM CLINTON, FROM 2005-2008, AND AS A LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANT, AND IS A LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANT TO THE LATE SENATOR JOHN CHAFFEE. MORE RECENTLY, SHE SERVED AS SPECIAL COUNSEL TO THE CITY JUDICIARY COMMITTEE FOR THE NOMINATION OF BRETT KAVANAUGH TO THE SUPREME COURT. WELCOME, LORI. [APPLAUSE] OUR NEXT FIRESIDE CHAT GUEST IS ALFONSO DAVID WAS A CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY, LGBTQ+ ACTIVIST AND THE CURRENT PRESIDENT AND CEO OF GLOBAL BLACK ECONOMIC FORUM. THIS IS AN ORGANIZATION WORKING TO SERVE AND ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF OF THE ECONOMIC NEEDS OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY. PRIOR TO JOINING THE GLOBAL BLACK ECONOMIC FORUM, ALPHONSE WAS A PRESENT OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS CAMPAIGN WHICH IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT STRIVES TO END DISCRIMINATION AGAINST LGBTQ+ PEOPLE AND REALIZABLE THAT ACHIEVES FUNDAMENTAL FAIRNESS AND EQUITY AND EQUALITY FOR ALL. IN 2015, HE WAS APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNOR ANDREW CUOMO TO SERVICE THE COUNSEL TO THE GOVERNOR. IN THIS ROLE HE FUNCTION AS OF THE GOVERNORS CHIEF COUNSEL AND OF PRINCIPAL LEGAL ADVISOR AND OVERSAW ALL SIGNIFICANT LEGAL AND POLICY RELATIONS AFFECTING NEW YORK STATE. OUR FINAL BUT NOT LEAST FIRE CHAT GUEST IS PROFESSOR JEFFREY CROWLEY. HE'S A DISTINGUISHED SCHOLAR AND PROGRAM DIRECTOR OF INFECTIOUS DISEASE INITIATIVES AT GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW, SCHOOL OF LAW ON YOUR INSTITUTE INSTITUTE OF GLOBAL HEALTH LAW. I WIDELY RECOGNIZED EXPERT ON HIV/AIDS AND DISABILITY POLICY. HE HAS SERVED AS THE DIRECTOR OF THE WHITE HOUSE OFFICE OF NATIONAL AIDS POLICY AND SENIOR ADVISOR ON DISABILITY POLICY FOR PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA. IN THIS CAPACITY HE LED THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR COUNTRY'S FIRST DOMESTIC NATIONAL HIV/AIDS STRATEGY FOR THE UNITED STATES PICS IN SEPTEMBER 2019 HE WAS APPOINTED TO THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCE AND MEDICINE COMMITTEE ON THE PREVENTION AND CONTROL OF SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED INFECTIOUS IN THE UNITED STATES. I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO JAMAL. ...

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THANK YOU, THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

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KENYA HEMI? THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AND WANT TO THANK MAYA AND THE CENTER FOR HEALTH DISPARITY FOR HAVING ME AND HAVING OUR PANEL HERE. JUST AS A WAY TO OPEN, IN THE WAY WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS ROLE OF A AGENCY, TALK WITH SOME OF THE NUMBERS IN HOW THIS DISEASE HAS MOVED THROUGH COMMITTEES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IN THE LATE 1980s THE CITY OF DETROIT WHICH IS WHERE I AM FROM DECIDED THAT IT WAS GOING TO START GIVING HIV EDUCATION TO PREMARITAL COUPLES. FACE-OFF THAT AS A WAY TO GET REAL INFORMATION INTO THE HANDS OF EVERYDAY CITIZENS, AND PEOPLE WHO ARE TRUSTED PARTS OF COMMITTEES, CAPTIVE POPULATION SO IN ORDER TO GET A A SLICE IT ISN'T HIV TRAINING COURSE. THE SUMMER AFTER MY SOPHOMORE YEAR I WAS 18, 19 YEARS OLD, I WAS HIRED TO BE AN EDUCATOR FOR THESE PREMARITAL COUPLES WHO WERE ALL IN THERE, YOU KNOW, /20(L1)S(L0)/'20(L1)S(L0), 30s, SOMETIMES /40(L1)S(L0)/'40(L1)S(L0), WHO ARE ABOUT TO GET MARRIED. SO VERY OFTEN I GET ASKED HOW DID YOU GET COMFORTABLE BEING ON TELEVISION OR HAVE THESE ARGUMENTS WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE SOMETIMES WHEN I FIRST ARE DOING JUST ABOUT ALL THE JEWS AND A LOT MORE EXPERIENCE? THE FIRST THING I THINK OF OTHER THAN MY FAMILY TABLE THAT I GREW UP IN IS, IF YOU CAN DO A CONDOM DEMONSTRATION ON YOUR TWO FINGERS IN FRONT OF 30-YEAR-OLDS WHEN YOU'RE 19 COME YOU CAN KIND OF HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ANYBODY ABOUT ANYTHING. AND SO THAT'S HOW I CAME INTO THIS WORKER SO IT'S BEEN A PART OF MY LIFE AND FAMILY MEMBERS OF ALSO BEEN AFFECTED BY THE FIRES. HAVE BEEN PART OF MY LIFE SINCE MOST OF MY LIFE. I WANT TO START WITH YOU JEFF. MIGHT GET SOME OF THIS AND A LESBIAN BUT IF WE HOPE FOR US HAVE STABLE PLAY, WHERE ARE WE TODAY ON THE WORLD A TODAY IN TERMS OF THE VIRUS AND DISEASE AND HOW IT IS AFFECTING DIFFERENT COMMITTEES DISPROPORTIONALLY? ...

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SO I THINK WE SOME MAJOR CHALLENGES BUT WE ALSO NEED TO RECOGNIZE THE HUGE SUCCESS WE HAD IN THE 1980s THERE WAS BUT WILL BE AT 130, 140,000 NEW INFECTIONS YOU. THAT WERE LOW IN LOW 2000sBELOW 30,000 TO YOU. MAJOR PROGRESS. WE FOR FOR THE SHARE OF THE EPIDEMIC COMPRISED OF PEOPLE OF COLOR IS GROWING. THAT'S DEEPLY PROBLEMATIC BUT WERE ALSO MAKING PROGRESS ACROSS ALL RACIAL GROUPS ETHNIC GROUPS. THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE RYAN WHITE PROGRAM, AND WE TODAY A RELEASING A BRIEF A BLACK WOMEN HIV. IT HAS A LIMITED DISPARITIES THAT VIRUS SUPPRESSION AMONG ALL PEOPLE AND RYAN WHITE PROGRAM I THINK IT'S LIKE 89.7%. VIRAL SUPPRESSION OF BLACK WOMEN IS 89%. FOR CISGENDER BLACK WOMEN IS 89%. FOR CISGENDER BLACK WOMEN IS 86% FOR BLACK TRANSGENDER PEOPLE. THOSE DISPARATE AS MATTY AVENUE FIGHT THOSE BUT IT'S NOT WHEN WE HEARD EARLIER ABOUT PrEP UPTAKE IS 13%-94%.I THINK 4%. I THINK WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THE PROGRESS WE'RE MAKING AND RECOGNIZE THAT MEANS POLICY EDITED REALLY CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHEN IT FOCUS ON THAT. ...

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THAT BRINGS ME TO THE KIND OF WHERE I STARTED, AND WERE MAYA LEFT OFF. WHAT WE SAW WITH MINORITY AIDS INITIATIVE WAS KIND OF A BROADENING OF THE SCOPE TO NOT JUST TARGET PEOPLE, MINORITIES, AFRICAN-AMERICANS, LATINOS AND LATINAS. WE'VE SEEN THIS IN THE OTHER AREAS, AND A GOING TO BRING YOU IN HERE, ALFONSO. WE'VE SEEN THIS AND OTHER AREAS WHERE WE'VE HAD TO BROADEN THE SCOPE OF PROGRAMS IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH LAW. BUT HOW IS IT THAT YOU ACHIEVE DIFFERENT OUTCOMES WITH THAT DOING THINGS DIFFERENTLY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING IMPACTED? [LAUGHING] I WANT YOU TO SOLVE THIS FOR US. ...

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I THINK WE FACED THIS PROBLEM HERE IN THE UNITED STATES NOT AS A RELATES TO HEALTH POLICY OR HIV, BUT I THINK GENERALLY WITH RESPECT TO ALL POLICY. I THINK SO MUCH OF OUR POLICY IS DRIVEN BY FEAR, AS OPPOSED TO BE DRIVEN BY FACTS. AND IF WE WERE TO START REIMAGINING POLICY DEVELOPMENT TO THE LENS OF FACT, THEN ALL OF THE SCARY ARGUMENTS THAT WE HEAR WOULD GO AWAY. AND IF WE FOCUS ON THE FACTS, WE REALIZE THAT ONE OUT OF TWO BLACK GAY MEN, BISEXUALS, WILL GET HIV IN THEIR LIFETIME. ONE OUT OF TWO. ONE OUT OF FOUR LATINO MEN WILL GET HIV IN A LIFETIME TODAY. SO IF WE WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE FACTS AND IMAGINING HOW THE FACTS SHOULD INFORM OUR POLICY, THEN WE ACTUALLY CREATE SOLUTIONS. BUT INSTEAD, THE CONVERSATIONS WE OFTEN HAVE IS YOU CAN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT RACE. YOU CAN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT ETHNICITY. IT IGNORES THE FACTS. SO ON OFTEN THINKING ABOUT POLICY DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE LENS OF FACTS AS OPPOSE TO THE LENS OF FEAR, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATELY WHAT I THINK DRIVES SO MUCH OF THE WORK THAT WE SEE IN POLICY SPACES. ...

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SO LORI, , YOU DO POLICY FOR A LIVING. YOU HAVE DONE FOR A LONG TIME PERIOD ESPECIALLY ON THE SENATE SIDE. WHEN THESE QUESTIONS ARISE, ARRIVE IN FRONT OF LEGISLATORS, HOW DID YOU TRY TO FIND A WAY TO ATTACK THE PROBLEM THEY SEE EXIST BUT STILL COMPLY WITH WHATEVER THE THINKING IS ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO REALLY TARGET THE PROBLEM DIRECTLY? I'LL TRADE YOU AND I'LL FIX THIS ONE. ...

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THANK YOU SO MUCH. I MEAN, I THINK THERE ARE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF POLITICIANS AND LEGISLATORS, AND I WAS REALLY FORTUNATE TO WORK FOR THREE OF THEM, WHO STILL BELIEVE IN FACTS AND ARE DRIVEN BY FACTS. AND THEY TRY VERY HARD TO ADHERE TO FACT DRIVEN POLICY. BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, AS DAVID ALLUDED TO, THERE ARE TOO MANY NOW WHO ARE DRIVEN BY OTHER FACTORS. AND DO WANT TO JUST GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT TO ANOTHER FACTOR THAT IS REALLY SORT OF HANGING OVER ALL OF THIS, AND THAT IS THE COURTS. BECAUSE I SAT HERE AND LISTENED TO THE PREVIOUS PANEL WHICH GAVE ME SO MUCH HOPE AND MAYBE NOT WANT TO LEAVE THIS ROOM, BECAUSE IT WAS SO FACT DRIVEN AND MADE ME FEEL SO GOOD ABOUT SORT OF THE FUTURE OF PUBLIC HEALTH. WITHIN A MEMBER WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING, WHICH IS VERY STEEPED IN WHAT THE COURT ARE DOING, WHICH IS REALLY TRIED TO MAKE IT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT FOR WHAT THE PUBLIC HEALTH COMMUNITY DOES IN TRYING TO MAKE MORE EQUITABLE HEALTHCARE AVAILABLE FOR MORE PEOPLE IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT REALMS. AND THAT IS SOMETHING I THINK WE DON'T UNDERSTAND NECESSARILY WHAT THE INTERSECTION BETWEEN THE TWO IS, AND THAT IS THAT THERE IS A VERY WELL COORDINATED, WELL-FUNDED, ORGANIZED THREAT BY A GROUP OF RIGHT-WING CONSERVATIVE GROUPS THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR US TO DO THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO IN THE PUBLIC HEALTH SPACE. AND NOWHERE IS THAT MORE EVIDENT RIGHT NOW THAN IN HIV SPACE AND IN THE TRANSGENDER SPACE AND IN THE LGBTQ SPACE. I SPENT A LONG TIME AND REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS MOVEMENT. WE SAW IN OUR MOVEMENT. WE KNEW IT WAS COMING TO YOU, AND NOW WE HAVE IT. ...

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SOME GOING TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS BECAUSE YOU WERE IN THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE DURING THE CABINET NOMINATION. WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IN REAL TIME WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO DECIDE WHO'S GOING TO SIT ON THE HIGH SCORE -- KAVANAUGH -- WHO IS WEIGHING IN, HOW'S THAT AGAIN REAL-TIME WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? ...

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NOT GOOD. SO WHEN I WAS HIRED, WE HAD A VACANCY ON THE COURT, AND THEY BROUGHT ME INTO MANAGE THAT PROCESS FOR THE DEMOCRATS. WE WOULD HIRE A WHOLE GROUP OF WHICH ARE A SEPARATE GROUP, SEPARATE FROM THE COMMITTEE STAFF TO MANAGE A SUPREME COURT NOMINATION. WE DID KNOW WHO THE NOMINEE WOULD BE. THE WERE A LIST OF PEOPLE, KAVANAUGH WAS OBVIOUS ON THAT LIST. AND THEN IT BECAME HIM AND THEN IT TURNED INTO THE CIRCUS THAT IT TURNED INTO. YOU HIRE A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE WEIGHING IN, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME IN MY EXPERIENCE, I JUST WANT TO BACK UP. I WORKED IN THE SENATE FOR 23 YEARS AND THE START OF THE REPUBLICAN SIDE WITH THE WONDERFUL PERSON NAMED JOHN CHAFEE. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN HIS OFFICE LEARNING THE HIV/AIDS FROM JEFF CROWLEY. IN THE 96 WE COME EVERYTHING I KNOW ABOUT HIV/AIDS. JOHN CHAFEE WAS A WONDERFUL ADVOCATE FOR PEOPLE IN HIV/AIDS COMMUNITY. SO THAT SIDE. I MOVED FROM THE REPUBLICAN SIDE WHEN JOHN CHAFEE DIED AND MOVED OVER TO THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE BECAUSE THE REPUBLICAN SIDE WAS NO LONGER A RATIONAL GROUP OF PEOPLE AND WENT TO WORK FOR HILLARY CLINTON. AND THEN ULTIMATELY AS RICHARD BLUMENTHAL CHIEF OF STAFF. SO I'VE SEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT, A LOT OF DIFFERENT SIDES IN THE SENATE. I HAVE NEVER SEEN WHAT I SAW DURING THE KAVANAUGH NOMINATION, IN THE SENSE THAT THE WAY THAT THAT NOMINATION WAS RUN, AND I WON'T SPEAK -- BECAUSE I CAN'T, BUT MOST OF THE RULES THAT I UNDERSTOOD TO BE WHAT THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE ABIDED BY WERE NOT FOLLOWED. AND THAT WAS MOSTLY BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IN A WAY THAT ORCHESTRATED IT BUT WAS ALSO BY THE REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. AND I WILL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT AND JUST SAY THAT I WAS SHOCKED AND DISMAYED AND ALSO BECAUSE I AM SO OLD, I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR SO LONG, MANY OF THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE WORK WITH ON THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE I HAD NO BACK WHEN IT WORK FOR JOHN CHAFEE AND I WAS SHOCKED AT THEIR BEHAVIOR. ...

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SO I DO WANT TO GET YOU IN TROUBLE, SPEAKING AT SCHOOL TO MUCH BUT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. I DID WANT TO GET A LITTLE SINCE, IS IT STAFFERS, IS THAT OUTSIDE ADVERTISING? IS A A PEOPLE WHO WERE SHOWING UP TO TESTIFY? IS IT ALL OF THE ABOVE? WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE LEGISLATORS FEEL THE PRESSURE OF THIS COORDINATED EFFORT TO TALK ABOUT? ...

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IT SUCH A WELL OILED MACHINE THAT THEY HAVE COME AND THEY, THEY CAN STILL SUCH A DISCIPLINE ON THEIR MEMBERS, ON THEIR STAFFS, ON THEIR OUTSIDE GROUPS, AND THE WORK IN SUCH A COORDINATED FASHION FROM THE FEDERALIST SOCIETY TO THEIR MEMBERS, TO THEIR -- AT SUCH A WELL OILED MACHINE AND WE ARE SO NOT A WELL OILED MACHINE. I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM. ...

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SOMEONE ON A PANEL IS TRYING TO OIL UP THE MACHINE, SO -- WITH THE HELP OF YOU IN SEPTEMBER SPENT THE COUNCIL OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND SOCIAL JUSTICE. TELL US ABOUT THAT AND WHAT YOUR OBJECTIVE IS FOR THE CONFEDERATION FOUR SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE RECENTLY ANNOUNCED THE COUNCIL FOR ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND SOCIAL JUSTICE. THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE WE THINK WE NEED TO COORDINATE ANY MUCH MORE SUBSTANTIVE AND STRATEGIC WAY. WE NEED TO COORDINATE HOW WE'RE RESPONDING TO THE TAX WE ARE SEEING AGAINST MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES. WHEN I SAY MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES I TALKED TO LACK AND BROWN PEOPLE. TYPE OF PEOPLE LIVING HIV. I'M TALKING ABOUT WOMEN. AND WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS AN ATTACK ON ALL OF THESE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE CONNECTED. AND PEOPLE THINK WELL IT'S REALLY ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE. IT'S ALL ABOUT BLACK ART OF WINNERS. WELL, IT'S ALL ABOUT TRANSGENDER PEOPLE. IT'S ONLY ABOUT WHEN THE. IT'S ONLY -- NO, IT'S ALL ABOUT GOING AFTER MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES AND DECONSTRUCTING THE SYSTEM THAT EXIST TO SUPPORT THOSE COMMUNITIES. AS YOU JUST HEARD THERE'S A VERY COORDINATED CAMPAIGN. IT IS NOT JUST -- AFFIRMATIVE ACTION WAS NOT STRICKEN IN A DAY. IT'S BEEN A 40 YEAR CAMPAIGN, MAYBE EVEN LONGER. TO STRIKE DOWN PRIVATIONS IN EDUCATION POLICY THAT ALLOWED UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES TO CONSIDER RACE AS A FACTOR IN ADMISSIONS. AND NOW THEY'RE GOING AFTER BLACK ENTREPRENEURS. NOW THEY'RE GOING AFTER HIM WTD PROGRAMS. ANOTHER GOING AFTER WOMEN. NOW THEY'RE GOING AFTER LGBs TO COMMITTEES.BECAUSE GOAL IS TO ULTIMATELY GET US TO A PLACE IN OUR PAST WHERE LAWS AGAINST HIS COMMISSION DIDN'T EXIST WHERE THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY DIDN'T EXIST. WITH THE RIGHT TO BODILY INTEGRITY DIDN'T EXIST. WHERE THE POTENTIAL FOR ECONOMIC FREEDOM DIDN'T EXIST. THAT'S THE GOAL. AND SO WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE COUNTER THAT ATTACK, THAT WE ARE PROACTIVE, THAT WE'RE STRATEGIC IN THINKING ABOUT HOW DO WE PREPARE, , NOT FOR WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW, BUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE NEXT YEAR, AND IN FIVE YEARS, AND IN TEN YEARS. BECAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT ONE ELECTION CYCLE, RIGHT? THIS IS ABOUT A CAMPAIGN TO COMPLETELY DEMORALIZE AND DECONSTRUCT SYSTEMS THAT SUPPORT MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES. SO 13 ORGANIZATIONS FROM THE NAACP TO THE NATIONAL ACTION NETWORK, FROM THE LOWERS COMMITTEE ON CIVIL RIGHTS TO DELTA DBQ TASK FORCE, AND WE'RE WORKING COLLABORATIVELY TO COME UP WITH STRATEGIC PLANS TO COUNSEL WHAT WE'RE SEEING, WHICH IS A COORDINATED RIGHT-WING ATTACK ON MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES. ...

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JEFF, AS YOU LISTEN TO THIS WE THINK ABOUT THIS, HOW DOES, HAVE YOU CONTEXTUALIZE YOUR WORK IN HEALTHCARE SPACE WITH HIS COORDINATE AN ATTACK? DO YOU SEE THESE CONNECTIONS IN SIMILAR TACTICS BEING USED ACROSS ATTACK VECTORS? ...

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IT'S INTERESTING LAURIE MENTIONED HER WORK WITH JOHN CHAFEE. THE MEDICAID PROGRAM IS BECAUSE HEALTH CARE PROGRAM FOR PEOPLE HIV AND THEN EARLY '90s THERE WAS A HUGE THREAT TO THE PROGRAM WOULD WE STILL HAVE ENTITLEMENT FROM THE CASE BECAUSE OF HER APOSTOLATE SENATOR CHAFEE. AT THE TIME PEOPLE AND HIV COMMUNITY SAID BEATIFIED ON BATTLE, GET A CARVEOUT FOR PEOPLE WITH HIV. THE WAY WE DEFENDED THE PROGRAM OR MAINTAINED IT IS ALL THE GROUPS THAT BENEFIT CAME TOGETHER. WE NEED TO THINK THE HIV COMMUNITY AND ATTACKS ON THE MINORITY INITIATIVE ARE PART OF THIS BROADER EFFORT. WE WILL BE THE LEADERS ON ONE PIECE BUT WE'VE GOT TO SUPPORT OTHERS ANYTHING THAT'S A CRITICAL PART OF HOW WE DO THIS. THE OTHER THING IS I THINK THAT WE ARE OFTEN WE HEAR THESE ATTACKS AS A DON'T POKE THE BEAR. WE'VE GOT TO TELL OUR STORY AND OWN IT, YOU KNOW? THEY WILL TELL YOU A STORY THAT WE ARE GIVING SPECIAL THINGS TO ALL THESE FAVORED GROUPS. THAT'S THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS INEQUITIES AND MAKE THE COUNTRY MORE FAIR, NOT FAVORING ONE GROUP OVER ANOTHER. ...

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I'M GOING TO THROW UP, LOB UP THE BALL AND SEE WHO WANTS TO GET IT. WE'VE GOT A NEW SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE -- AND IT IS BEING WIDELY REPORTED THAT HE HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN HIS CAREER WITH SOME PEOPLE OF A PARTY RIGHT, I THINK I'M MORE INTO YOU CALL THEM ULTRANATIONALIST CHRISTIAN RIGHT. ETIQUETTE THAT RIGHT? BUT YOU KNOW SO WE ARE SEEING PEOPLE WHO SEEM TO HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT IDEA OF SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE COME SEPARATION OF THE FAITH AS WAS BEEN A PART OF THE AMERICAN DIALOG BUT THE INCLUSION OF IT IN POLICY IN A WAY WE HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE. WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF THAT ON THE SIDE THAT WE ARE TAUGHT ABOUT? ...

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I MEAN COME I THINK FROM THE FOUNDING OF OUR COUNTRY WE ALWAYS OF THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE AND RELIGIOUS FREEDOM WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SHIELD FOR US, FROM THE STATE IN IMPOSING THE RELIGION UPON US. IT IS COMPLETELY FLIPPED WITH PEOPLE LIKE MICHAEL JOHNSON. THE SADDEST AND? MIKE JOHNSON? WHO HAS -- I BLOCKED IT OUT OF MY HEAD I THINK. WHERE THEY FLIPPED THE CONCEPT OF RELIGIOUS FREEDOM AND WEAPONIZED IT AGAINST THE MOST MARGINALIZED. AND SO WHEN YOU SEE THINGS LIKE THE CASE THAT IS A CASE WHERE PRIVATE EMPLOYERS ARE SAYING IT'S AGAINST MY RELIGIOUS BELIEF TO PROVIDE PrEP TO MY EMPLOYEES, OR WHICH STARTED WITH HOBBY LOBBY, WHICH WAS WHERE THIS AT THIS AGAINST MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS TO PROVIDE CONTRACEPTION. WE OUGHT TO TO COME FOR OTHER THINGS. THAT'S TAKING THE CONCEPT OF RELIGIOUS FREEDOM AND FLIPPING IT ON ITS HEAD WEAPONIZING IT. WHAT'S SO PARTICULARLY DANGERS ABOUT THAT IS NOT ONLY THAT IT'S DENYING, WE HEARD SO MUCH ABOUT ALL OF THESE MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES THAT ARE LOSING ACCESS TO THESE IMPORTANT DRUGS AND THE COURTS ARE GOING TO MAKE THAT SO MUCH MORE DIFFICULT BY SAYING IN THE HEALTH INSURANCE CONTEXT WE'RE NOT GOING TO COVER IT BECAUSE IT'S AGAINST OUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. THEY COULD THEN BE EXTENDED TO IF THE COURTS SAY, IF THE COURTS SAY THAT'S OKAY, THAT'S IN THE PRIVATE INSURANCE CONTEXT BUT THEY COULD MOVE TO MEDICARE. THAT COULD MOVE TO MEDICAID. AND THEN WHAT DO WE SAY ABOUT OTHER KINDS OF THINGS LIKE VACCINES? WHAT IF I DECIDE IS AGAINST MY RELIGIOUS BELIEF TO PROVIDE VACCINES? SO IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS THING BUT I THINK WHEN YOU SOMEBODY AT THE HELM OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WHO ESPOUSES THOSE BELIEFS, WE HAVE COME VERY, VERY FAR FROM THE KIND OF REPUBLICAN I WORK FOR, JOHN CHAFEE, WHO IS ONE OF THE SENIOR RANKING REPUBLICANS NOT THAT LONG AGO. ...

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IF I I CAN JUST SAY, IN ADDITION TO THE DANGER THAT EXISTS IN THE LEGAL CONTEXT, THERE'S ALSO AN ADDITIONAL DANGER FROM A VERY PRACTICAL OPTICAL CONTEXT. THE NARRATIVE HAS BEEN DRIVEN IS THAT YOU CANNOT BE A PERSON OF FAITH AND LGBTQ. YOU CANNOT BE A PERSON OF FAITH AND BLACK. YOU CANNOT BE A PERSON OF FAITH AND PICK THE DEMOGRAPHIC GROUP. BECAUSE THE NARRATIVE THAT HAS BEEN DRIVEN IS WE HAVE TO PICK. AND IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO BE A PERSON OF FAITH AND HONOR YOUR FAITH AS WELL AS ONE, AND EQUITABLE SPACE AND PROTECT PEOPLE WHO ARE MARGINALIZED, , AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT NARRATIVE THAT WE HAVE TO COMBAT. BECAUSE IF WE IGNORE IT IN THE CONCEPT BECOMES WELL, IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT THIS THEORY OR THIS PRINCIPLE OVER HERE, WHICH IS WHAT WE CALL RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, AND THAT MEANS YOU ARE NOT REALLY A PERSON OF FAITH. ...

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LASTER WHEN THE DOT'S DECISION HAPPENED I WAS AT THE WHITE HOUSE AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE VICE PRESIDENT BEGIN SAYING, REALLY DID SET THE TONE FOR THE GOVERNMENT ABOUT HOW WE WERE GOING TO RESPOND ON THE QUESTION OF ABORTION RIGHTS, WAS THAT YOU COULD BE, YOU DID NOT HAVE TO GIVE UP YOUR FAITH OR LONG-TERM LONG-HELD BELIEF IN ORDER TO BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT SHOULDN'T HAVE A SAY OVER WHAT WOMEN DO WITH THEIR BODIES. IT WAS A VERY SPECIFIC PHRASE THAT SHE'S USED TO TALK TO PEOPLE OF FAITH ABOUT THE FACT THAT HOWEVER IT IS THAT YOU CAN SEE THIS QUESTION, YOU DON'T WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO BE IN THE ROOM WITH THE WOMAN AND HER DOCTOR OR HER FAITH LEADER OR HER FAMILY OR WHOEVER ELSE IT IS SHE CHOOSES TO INCLUDE CAN YOU DON'T WANT A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL SITTING THERE ALSO. AND WE FOUND THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT RESONATED A LOT. PEOPLE WANTED TO HEAR THAT. PEOPLE OF FAITH WHO ARE WRESTLING WITH THIS QUESTION. LAURIE, GOING TO GO BACK TO YOU AND JEFF ON THIS QUESTION ABOUT THE SPEAKER. BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST, SORT AND IF THE OR SO, ARE THINGS THAT SEEM TO BE FAIRLY MARGINAL IDEAS OR COMMUNITIES OR BELIEFS STEADILY MARCHED TOWARDS WHAT BECAME THE MAINSTREAM OF AMERICAN POLITICAL THOUGHT, RIGHT? THIS IDEA, HOWEVER THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT IS TRACING THEIR BELIEF ABOUT HOW THEY SHOULD ENGAGE IN AMERICAN CIVIC DISCOURSE, YOU KNOW, TWO MONTHS AGO THOSE WERE BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE INTERNET AND WE WERE NOT REALLY TALK ABOUT THEM VERY MUCH IN THE PUBLIC SPHERE. AND TODAY, THEY ARE SECOND IN LINE TO THE PRESIDENCY. ONE OF THE PEOPLE OF AFFILIATES WITH THEM IS SECOND IN LINE. SO WE'RE SEEING THIS. DO YOU SEE THIS ALSO HAPPENED IN THE SENATE WHERE YOU GUYS WHO WORK TO, I MEAN WE THINK OF THE HOUSE AS BEING THE PLACE THAT IS -- A LOT OF THESE FOLKS INTO BRUNNING FOR THE UPPER CHAMBER, TO. ...

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YES. I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME, IT HAS, THE SENATE HAS BECOME THE HOUSE. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO I THINK, JOHN CHAFEE WITH THAT RECOGNIZE IN HIS, IN HIS PARTY AS REPUBLICANS HERE I MEAN, NOT, IT IS A VERY GENERAL PLACE THAT IT WAS WHEN I STARTED WORKING THERE IN 1985. IT'S JUST VERY, IT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLACE. WHEN I STARTED WORKING FOR JOHN CHAFEE HE WAS A PRO-CHOICE REPUBLICAN. I KNOW, I CAN BARELY EVEN SAY THOSE WORDS TOGETHER ANYMORE. [INAUDIBLE] ...

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EXACTLY. [INAUDIBLE]

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BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THERE WERE TEN PRO-CHOICE REPUBLICANS, AND WE HAD A COALITION, YOU KNOW. NOW, THEY WEREN'T COMPLETELY PRO-CHOICE ON ALL THINGS BUT THEY ALSO WERE IN FAVOR OF FUNDING FOR HIV. CHAFEE LED A LOT OF THOSE EFFORTS. IT WAS SO FAR, , TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT WERE SO FAR REMOVED FROM THE REALITY, THE IDEA THAT YOU WOULD BE ANTI-CONTRACEPTION WAS CRAZY. WE KNEW THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. THEY MIGHT BE ANTI-CHOICE BUT TO NEVER BE ANTI-CONTRACEPTION. LOOK WHERE WE ARE NOW. I MEAN, THAT IS COMMON. SO YEAH, IT IS NOT A PLACE I RECOGNIZE. ...

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SO ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND US, IT'S LIKE WE HOLD MAJORITY VIEWS. I THINK WE OFTEN FEEL UNDER SIEGE, LIKE THE SPEAKER, HE IS TERRIBLE VIEWS ABOUT THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY. BUT HE THINKS IT'S TO BECOME SPEAKER HE SAID MARRIAGE EQUALITY IS SETTLED LAW. HE KNOWS HE CAN'T GET AWAY WITH PROBABLY ADVANCING WHAT HE TRULY BELIEVES BECAUSE OUR VIEWS ARE POPULAR I THINK WE SOMETIMES -- ...

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DIDN'T JUSTICE KAVANAUGH SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT CHOICE, ABOUT ROME, , THAT IT WAS SETTLED LAW?

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RIGHT. -- ROE.

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THEY SAY THAT BECAUSE OUR VIEW OF POPULAR IS PUT A GUN TO MAKE. WE'VE GOT TO ALL THAT. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PROTECT A MINORITY VIEW HERE. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE I BELIEVE ARE PROUD OF THEIR COMMITMENTS TO HIV BECAUSE WE SUSTAINED IT FOR DECADES TO GET OUT OF THE FACT WERE SAVING 25 MILLION LIVES OF PEOPLE WITH HIV AROUND THE WORLD. THE IDEA OF WHAT GOING TO, WE SHOULDN'T RESPOND OFFENSIVELY. WE SHOULD OWN THE FACT THAT WE ARE DEFENDING A POPULAR VIEW. ...

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SO TALKING ABOUT FLIPPING SOMETHING ON ITS HEAD A LAW THAT SAID ALFONSO, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE FIELD ASSIGNED, WHICH WAS TRYING TO PUT MONEY IN $20,000 GRANTS IN BLACK HANDS BLACK WOMEN OWNERS AND THEY FACED THIS AND I WOKE, ANTI-LEGITIMATE ATTACK. AND SO THEY'RE FLIPPING THE CIVIL RIGHTS LAWS ON THE HEAD IN THESE ATTACKS COME RIGHT? ...

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ABSOLUTELY. FOR FOLKS WHO DON'T KNOW, THE FEARLESS FUND IS A VENTURE CAPITAL FIRM AND HAVE A FOUNDATION WHERE THEY PROVIDE GRANTS TO PEOPLE OF COLOR, WOMEN PRIMARILY, BLACK WOMEN YOU'RE LOOKING TO SCALE THEIR BUSINESSES. NOW, WHY IS THIS NEEDED? IT'S NEEDED BECAUSE OF THE $288 MILLION, BILLION WITH A B, THAT IS ALLOCATED FOR THE VENTURE CAPITAL SPACE EVERY YEAR. ONLY .003% OR SO GOES TO BLACK WOMEN. SO THEY CREATED THIS COMPANY TO TRY TO FINALLY AND RESOURCES TO BLACK WOMEN, , AND DID IT THROUGH A GRANT PROCESS. AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS SUCCESSFULLY. AND THEY WERE SUED AND OSTENSIBLY THE ARGUMENT IS PROVIDING GRANTS TO BLACK WOMEN VIOLATES FEDERAL LAW. NOW, YOU ASK WHICH LAW? THE LAW THAT WAS PASSED IN 1866 RIGHT AFTER THE CIVIL WAR TO ALLOW BLACK PEOPLE TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS. BECAUSE REMEMBER BEFORE, AND A BLACK PERSON COULDN'T ENTER INTO A CONTRACT. BLACK PERSON WAS CONSIDERED PROPERTY. A BLACK PERSON COULDN'T GET AN EDUCATION, RIGHT? SO THESE LAWS WERE MODIFIED AFTER THE CIVIL WAR, AND THE SPECIFIC LAW WE CALL IT 1981, WAS PASSED IN ORDER TO ALLOW BLACK PEOPLE TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS. NOW, THAT LAW IS BEING TURNED ON ITS HEAD AND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS YOU ARE PROVIDING GRANTS, IS THAT A CONTRACT, THEY'RE SAYING GRANTS TO BLACK PEOPLE AND THEREBY VIOLATING A FEDERAL STATUTE HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR DECADES. THE STATUE THAT WAS INTO AND SPECIFIC HELP BLACK PEOPLE TO ADVANCE THEMSELVES AND TO GET ECONOMIC FREEDOM. SO THE POINT I WAS MAKING EARLIER I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN IS THAT THAT ATTACK IS NOT LIMITED TO BLACK WOMEN. IT APPLIES TO WOMEN TO GET IT APPLIES TO PEOPLE LIVING WITH HIV. APPLIES TO ALL MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES AND IF WE OPEN UP THE VORTEX AND WILL LOOK AT THIS CASE IT WOULD LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER CASES, WE CAN LOOK AT STRIKING DOWN ROE. IT'S ALL A COORDINATED ATTACK TO REALLY STRIP WITH THE FUNDAMENTAL PROTECTIONS THAT WE HAVE. SO IT'S A VERY DISTURBING CASE AND IS NOT THE ONLY ONE. THEY FILED A NUMBER OF CASES. THEY SUED TWO LAW FIRMS FIRMS. THERE FILED A CASE AGAINST HELO ALIS. WHEN I SAY TODAY, THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE PROPPING UP TO BRING FEDERAL LITIGATION ARGUING THAT THE STATUTE THAT EXISTED TO PROTECT MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES SHOULD A LONGER EXIST. ...

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ONE OF THE LAW FIRM CASES, IS AT THE PERKINS?

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YES. IT WAS A FELLOWSHIP PROGRAM FOR PEOPLE OF I THINK TARGETING HISTORICALLY UNDERREPRESENTED COMMITTEES IN THE LONG WHERE YOU SEE I DON'T KNOW, TWO AND A HALF% OF LAW FIRM PARTNERS ARE AFRICAN-AMERICAN, RIGHT? SO AGAIN WE GET TO THE QUESTION OF YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY GET A DIFFERENT OUTCOME IF YOU DON'T DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE PANEL, WHAT ARE THEY VOTED UP TO HEAR? I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF FISH IN THE WATER BUT WHAT ARE WE UP TO FROM THE OTHER SIDE? WHAT'S THE AMERICAN THEY ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE? ...

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THE AMERICAS THE OTHER SIDE IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE? WELL, I THINK THEY FEEL GOOD LOST A LOT OF GROUND AFTER TRYING TO GET IT BACK, AND ONE WAY TO TRY TO GET IT BACK IS TO PRIVILEGE THEIR COMMUNITY OVER OTHERS. AND THEY'RE USING THE LAW TO DO THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S SORT OF THE WAY I SEE IT, RIGHT? THAT THE SPECTER THINK THEY HAVE THEIR OWN FEARS, RIGHT? LIKE THEY SEE A WORLD THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE WORLD THAT THEY ARE USED TO WHERE THEY ARE NO LONGER IN A POSITION OF POWER, AND ONE WAY TO GET THAT POWER BACK IS TO USE THE LONG TO PRIVILEGE THEMSELVES OVER OTHERS. AND I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US AND I'M REALLY VERY EXCITED TO ABOUT THE PROGRAM YOU ARE WORKING ON TO FIND WAYS TO PUSH BACK. ...

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I'LL GIVE YOU ONE NUMBER. IN 1996, 85% OF AMERICAN VOTERS WERE WHITE. AND 2020 THAT NUMBER WAS 69% OF AMERICAN VOTERS ARE WHITE. SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING I THINK VIRGINIA IN 2012 WHEN BARACK OBAMA RAN FOR PRESIDENT, SOMETHING LIKE 60% OF WHITE VOTERS IN IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA VOTED FOR MITT ROMNEY AND BARACK OBAMA WON THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. SO I IMAGINE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO GREW UP IN A DIFFERENT, WHERE THINGS WERE DIFFERENTLY ARE DISCOMFORTED BY THESE KIND OF OUTCOMES. BUT SO THAT'S THE WORLD THAT THEY MAY BE TRYING TO HOLD ONTO AND PROTECT. ONCE THE WORLD THAT YOU ALL THINK THIS COUNTER NARRATIVE COME THIS CAN EFFORT, WHERE ARE WE GOING OVER TO TRY AND GET BACK TO A STATUS QUO THAT EXISTED BEFORE THE TRIAL COURT TOOK PLACE? OR ARE WE TRY TO GO SOMEPLACE EVEN FURTHER? ...

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HAPPY TO START. I WOULD SAY ULTIMATELY, IN SPEAKING FOR MYSELF HERE, I THINK MANY OTHERS I'VE SPOKEN TO WOULD ECHO THESE COMMENTS. WE ARE TRY TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE ACHIEVE LIBERATION. AND IF YOU SIT WITH THAT WORD FOR A SECOND AND YOU THINK ABOUT HOW WE ARE SO FAR FROM THAT CONCEPT IN SELMA DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF OUR LIVES, THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT WE WANT TO GET TO. WE WANT TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH POVERTY IN THE WAY WE ARE DEALING NOW WITH DISPROPORTIONATELY BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE BEING CONFRONTED WITH POVERTY. WE DON'T WANT A WORLD WHERE MOST OF THE HIV, NEW HIV INFECTIONS ARE BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE. WE DON'T WANT A WORLD WHERE WOMEN HAVE LOST THE RIGHT, AT LEAST UNDER FEDERAL LAW, TO CONTROL THEIR OWN BODIES. .. [APPLAUSE] ...

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IT WAS PRESIDENT TRUMP, THAT'S AN EXCITING IDEA THAT WE WOULD AND IF. WE CAN'T DO THAT 75% OF THE DIAGNOSIS WE DON'T FOCUS ON PEOPLE COLOR. THERE IS THIS IDEA WE ARE DOING SPECIAL THINGS THAT NOBODY ELSE GETS AND EVEN IF THE MINORITY IS, IF WE KNOW NEED TO FOCUS WHERE THE NEED IS WE HAVE A ROGRAM FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN TO MAKE SURE THEY PROVIDE SERVICES THERE. WE DISTRIBUTE FUNDING OR JURISDICTIONS FROM A THEY NEEDED. IT IS A PROMISE PEOPLE OF COLOR SPECIAL BENEFITS, JUST INVEST THING WE NEED CRITICAL CAPACITY AND SERVICE CAPACITY TO SERVE THESE POPULATIONS EFFECTIVELY. IT ENSURES PUBLIC HAS THE IMPACT WE WANT. WHY WASTE THE MONEY? WE NEED TO HAVE THE NEXT VISION IN THIS PROGRAM IS HOW WE GET THE LIBERTY. ...

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ONE THING I WOULD ADD, I THINK WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT THINGS, IT'S NOT A ZERO-SUM GAME AND THE WAY WE THINK ABOUT PUBLIC HEALTH DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THINKING ABOUT AS A ZERO-SUM GAME. JUST BECAUSE THERE'S ONE IMPACTED COMMUNITY AND USE OUR RESOURCES TO HELP THAT COMMUNITY, IT DOESN'T MEAN ANOTHER COMMUNITY ISN'T GOING TO GET WHAT THEY NEED AND I THINK WE NEED TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE SAW ABOUT RESOURCES AS A ZERO-SUM GAME QUEBEC HAS ASKED HER STRATEGY TO IMPOSE THAT KIND OF THINKING ON PUBLIC PROGRAMS. THAT IS WHAT AFFECTS US INTO A CORNER AND THE BIGGEST MISTAKE WE MAKE IS WE'RE ALWAYS BEEN THE DEFENSE AND THEY HAVE BETTER LANGUAGE SO I ALWAYS THINK TO THE HORRIBLE TERM IN THE 90s FOR ME USED POSSIBLE PORTION OF THE SITE YOUR PERSONAL AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THAT WAS COMING FROM AND THEN WE KEPT REPEATING THEIR LANGUAGE SO WE JUST HAVE TO STOP USING THEIR LANGUAGE AND STOP BEING AGAINST THE CRAZY THINGS THEREFORE AND FOR WHAT WE ARE FOR AND AFFIRMATIVELY STATE THAT. ...

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I WILL TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION -- A WAY TO TAKE A COUNTER WHILE PEOPLE ARE TOGETHER. I WILL TAKE A COUNTER POSITION FROM SECOND. IS IT POSSIBLE WE ARE BEING LAZY BY USING RACE? USING RACE AS A PROXY THAT WE REALLY MEAN OTHER THINGS? POVERTY OR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE FACILITIES OR ANOTHER SET OF INDICATORS WE USE RACE AS A STANDARD WHEN WE GET USE OTHER INDICATORS. ...

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I WANT TO LEGITIMIZE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT IS ANOTHER WAY TO GET THERE IN ONE EXAMPLE, THE CDC HAS THE SOCIAL VULNERABILITY VULNERABILITY, POVERTY AND OTHER THINGS THINKING WILL GET TO THE SAME OUTCOME. IF YOU ALL AGREE WE SHOULD FOCUS RESOURCES REMAINING FROM, WE DON'T NEED IT% ILLEGITIMATE TO FOCUS ON RACE. ...

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02:01:37

ARE YOU A TENNIS FAN? SERENA WILLIAMS ALMOST DIED IN CHILDBIRTH. WHY? SHE HAS ALL THE RESOURCES IN THE WORLD, NOBODY WOULD SAY DON'T SPEAK HER MIND AND HER DOCTORS WOULD NOT LISTEN TO HER AND SHE LITERALLY ALMOST DIED IN CHILDBIRTH AND THAT'S WHY -- YES, THERE ARE A LOT OF SOCIOECONOMIC FACTORS, STRATIFIED ENVIRONMENTS BUT IS THE FACT THAT MATERNAL MORTALITY RATE IS GOING WAY UP AND FOR WHO? BLACK WOMAN. WHY? THEIR PROVIDERS WILL LISTEN TO THEM AND SHE IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE SO I DON'T THINK SO ALL THE TIME. [LAUGHTER] ...

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02:02:31

SO YOU'RE SAYING RACISM IS. [LAUGHTER]

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THANK YOU FOR HAVING US IN THE CONVERSATION. I HEARD THIS MORNING THE WORD WEEK AND WHEN WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WE IN THE CONTEXT UNDERSTANDING NATIONAL IDENTITY, IT DISSOLVES VERY FAST. I MEAN THE AFTER 9/11 OR AFTER WORLD WAR II, ONLY START TALKING ABOUT JUSTICE IN OUR COUNTRY BECOMES IT'S NOT MY FAULT, I WAS IN HERE ONE THAT HAPPENED SO CLOSE WHO SHOULD BE LISTENING. ...

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THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM WE FACE AS A COMMUNITY WITHIN THIS COUNTRY DOESN'T FORM THE SOLUTION AS OPPOSED TO FOCUSING ON THE SOLUTIONS ARE IF YOU TALK TO SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE HIV OR SOMEONE WHO'S NEVER MET ANYBODY WITH HIV, ASSUME THAT AND YOU TALK ABOUT THE CHALLENGES WE FACE, IF THEY DON'T APPRECIATE SOLUTION TO CREATE THE PROCESS WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE A ROLE AND WHEN REAGAN WOULDN'T THEY HIV FOR A WHILE BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET ANYWHERE WHAT I FIND IS OFTEN WE TALK ABOUT COMMUNITIES DID IN THE PAST AS OPPOSED TO FOCUSING ON WHAT IS THE SOLUTION? DO YOU AGREE IF WE COULD GET TO THAT PLACE WHERE WE AS A COMMUNITY AND AGREE WITH WHAT THE SOLUTIONS ARE THERE IS A PATH THAT I AGREE, UNTIL WE GET THERE, WE ARE HAVING FRACTURED CONVERSATIONS. ...

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02:05:29

YOU BROUGHT UP THE POINTS THAT KANSAS AND OHIO WHERE CHUCK TO SAY WOMEN SHOULD RETRAIN THE RIGHT WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR OWN BODIES BUT HOW COULD PUBLIC OPINION BE LEVERAGED? YOU HAVE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL FUNDING, HOW CAN A LOCAL LEVEL THE LEVERAGED A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE? ...

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02:06:07

I WROTE THAT I HAVE A GOOD ANSWER BUT I DO THINK THERE'S A POSITIVE STORY TO TELL SO AT THE LOCAL LEVEL FRIDAY STRENGTHEN OUR COMMUNITIES AND HOW IT REFLECTS AMERICAN VALUES PUBLIC EVERYBODY. ANOTHER PERSON TO GIVE THE RIGHT LANGUAGE BUT NOT SUPPORTABLE WHAT WE ARE DOING, WE NEED TO NOT BE AFRAID TO ENGAGE PEOPLE AND HELP THEM UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT. ...

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02:06:49

IT HELPS TO BE WITH OTHER PEOPLE, ONE REASON WE ARE PROTECTING FUNDING FOR HIV IN THE 90s IS WE DIDN'T SEPARATETHEM OUT SO AN IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER, AS A VICE PRESIDENT AT PLANNED PARENTHOOD THERE WERE TABLES OF PEOPLE FIGHTING FOR HEALTHCARE ACCESS AND WE WANT INVITED TO TABLE EVEN THOUGH WE WERE CENTRAL TO THE MISSION OF ACA AND ULTIMATELY THE SUCCESS OF ACA TOOK A LOT FOR US, MONEY TO GET A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND IT SHOWED THAT HAVING MR. WAS REALLY IMPORTANT GETTING THE PASSAGE OF WE NEED TO STICK TOGETHER SO MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES, PEOPLE FIGHTING FOR RIGHTS NEED TO WORK TOGETHER AND IT'S ONE WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE WE CONTINUE TO HAVE RIGHTS TO SUPPORT HEALTHCARE. ...

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02:08:07

TO ECHO, I THINK OFTEN WHEN CHALLENGES THIS WILL BE ABLE AND NOT THINKING ABOUT THE BROADER ECOSYSTEM. THE OTHER SIDE DOES A GREAT JOB OF APPLYING THE NARRATIVE NOT ONLY WITHIN THEIR SPECIFIC ECOSYSTEM BEYOND THE ONE CHILD WE FACE IS THERE IS AN ISSUE AFFECTS THIS COMMUNITY. THERE'S A STUDY OR DATA AND READABLE BY IT AND IT'S ONE THING WE HAVE TO BREAK DOWN IF WE OVERCOME CHALLENGES I BELIEVE WE CAN WE JUST HAVE TO WORK IN A MORE COORDINATED WAY. MY REALITY IS MORE ALWAYS WHEN WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS OR WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE GET POLICY AND THE PROGRESSIVE WORLD AND GRASSROOTS. HOW DO WE DO THAT IN A WAY WILL END UP WITH WHAT WE HAVE NOW? WE SAY MAJORITY IS OUR OPINION BUT IT DOESN'T REFLECT THAT. THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE DECISIONS IMPACT US DOESN'T REFLECT THE MAJORITY OF OPINIONS WE HAVE DIFFICULTY ON THE COURT AND ON THE SHOW AND THINGS LIKE THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN DECISIONS BEING MADE IN US AS A PEOPLE'S MAJORITY OPINION IS A STRONG OPINION. HOW DO WE STAND AGAINST THAT WHICH BEING DONE ON PURPOSE AND WITHOUT ANY FORM, HOW DO WE DO THAT? ...

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02:10:46

I WAS SAY WE LOOK AT PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND WHEN I TALK TO YOUNG PEOPLE, THINGS TO GET OUT OF THE WAY SO PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN HOW TO BE BETTER PARTNERS SO THE EXPERIENCE OF FEELING EXCLUDED, SHOW THE WAY. ...

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02:11:23

IS AN INTENTIONAL BREAKDOWN IN THIS COUNTRY. ANOTHER REASON WHY OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM IS BROKEN. MANY WANTED TO REMAIN BROKEN SO PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT GOVERNMENT CAN HAVE IN THEIR LIVES SO SOMEONE TOLD KUBOTA ELECTING DONALD TRUMP WILL RADICALLY CHANGE THE COMPOSITION OF THE COURT AND CHANGING RIGHTS FROM IN MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES, THEY MAY NOT HAVE FULLY APPRECIATED THAT SO IN ADDITION TO USING OUR RESOURCES TO BE BETTER INFORMED ELECTORATE, I THINK WE NEED TO SHIFT SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WE VOTE TO EXERCISE THE RIGHT, NOT NECESSARILY FOR A PERSON BECAUSE I LIVED IN LIBERIA AND WE LIVED IN A DEMOCRACY FOR TEN YEARS AND THEN ONE DAY IT SHIFTED TO DICTATORSHIP AND WE LOST ALL RIGHTS UNDER THINK OF THIS COUNTRY THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE DOCTOR EXISTS SO WE DON'T APPRECIATE AS MUCH AS WE SHOULD THE IMPORTANCE OF VOTING, NOT TO VOTE FOR PERSON TO EXERCISE THE RIGHTS AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE HAVE TO STRIVE FOR. [APPLAUSE] ...

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02:13:12

A LOT OF TIMES TALK ABOUT VOTING IS IT IS THE ANSWER TO THE PROBLEMS SO THERE'S A PROBLEM, GO VOTE BUT THEN THEY GET IN OFFICE AND THEY DON'T NECESSARILY MOVE ON THE THINGS WE VOTE FOR SO WHAT IS THE STEP AFTER THAT? WHERE DID THE TROOPS SIGN UP FOR THE FIGHT? ...

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02:13:53

ACCOUNTABILITY AND THERE ARE MANY ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THIS THAT HOLD ELECTED OFFICIALS ACCOUNTABLE AND WE NEED TO SUPPORT THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AND THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SUPPORT. THERE'S SOME ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO BOTH. C-3 CANNOT DO POLITICAL ENDORSEMENT, C4 CAN. WHEN YOU SUPPORT ORGANIZATIONS ABLE TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE ON YOUR BEHALF WE HAVE ALLOWED THEIR MICROPHONE. WHEN WE DON'T, WE ARE SEEKING. VOTING FOR A SPECIFIC PERSON OR PARTY OR POSITION AND BELIEVE THAT AND ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL BEFORE YOU CAN EXERCISE THAT RIGHT AGAIN SO DURING THAT TIMEFRAME, YOU NEED SOMEBODY TO MONITOR THEM, OVERSEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING THAT IS THE ROLE WE HAVE TO SUPPORT IN A MUCH MORE FORCEFUL WAY. ...

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02:15:14

HAVING WORKED FOR THREE IN THE SENATE, ACCOUNTABILITY IS IMPORTANT AND I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT, TO BUT THE FLIPSIDE IS ALSO REMEMBERING YOU SUPPORT AND THEY DO, REMEMBER TO THANK THEM BECAUSE POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT IS ALSO REALLY IMPORTANT AND SOMETIMES NUMBERS JUST DON'T HEAR WHEN THEY DO SOMETHING GOOD, THE ONLY HERE WHEN THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT. APPRECIATE AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS GOOD SO THEY CAN KEEP DOING GOOD THINGS. ...

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02:16:03

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, JUST WHEN YOU VOTE IT DOESN'T MEAN DID YOU GET EVERYTHING YOU WANT? IS A LOT OF INTEREST IN THE TICKET ENOUGH, YOU SEE ELECTED OFFICIALS WORKING FOR YOU? NEED SOME MATURITY, THERE'S A LOT WE MAY NOT AGREE WITH BUT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO AN OPINION. ...

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02:16:36

MORE QUESTIONS.

02:16:46

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR THIS PANEL AND CONGRATULATIONS, I'M WONDERING AS WE THINK ABOUT THE POLITICS OF RACE, WHETHER OUR PERSONAL IS MISSING SOMETHING THE REPUBLICAN SIDE IS USED TO ADDRESSING THAT WE ARE AFRAID TO ADDRESS. OUR SOCIAL JUSTICE. NURSES NOT ONLY ANTI- AGENDA, ARE WE MISSING THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN SHOULD THEY CUT THE FUNDING WE THINK IS IMPORTANT FOR SAVING LIVES BUT NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TRUTH AND COST OF THE ECONOMY? ...

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02:18:09

I DON'T THINK WE ARE AFRAID. I THINK IT'S THE NARRATIVE. YET THE BLACK CHAMBER OF COMMERCE THAT MAKES THE ARGUMENT RUN THE ORGANIZATION. WHAT OFTEN GETS THE ATTENTION IN THE PRESS IS THE SOCIAL JUSTICE COMPONENT AND WE HAVE TO MELD ARGUMENTS TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN GET THE FREEDOM OF MERCY OF ECONOMIC FREEDOM. DON'T DISCRIMINATE BASED ON RACE, ETHNICITY, HIV STATUS, HE WILL HAVE THE RESOURCES TO GET TO ECONOMIC FREEDOM, YOU CAN'T GET DELIBERATION. HOW IS THE NARRATIVE BUT THE FOCUS WE OFTEN HEAR ABOUT, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO CHANGE TO MAKE SURE WE MELT THOSE CONVERSATIONS. HIS A COMPONENT FOR THE HIV INFECTION. THIS IS THE IMPACT. ...

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02:19:57

POLITICAL FUNDRAISING, THERE ARE SOME GROUPS IN THE POLITICIAN STANDS UP AND SPEAKS FOR 15, 20 OR 30 MINUTES PEOPLE WOULD ASK QUESTIONS. THERE ARE OTHER GROUPS WHERE THEY SHOW UP IN THE OTHER PEOPLE SPEAK FOR 20, 30. HE BELIEVES THE AGENDA SET UP FOR THESE CONVERSATIONS. I WOULD ARGUE THE FORMAT IS ONE THAT MARKETER DIRECTLY GIVES THE POLITICIANS TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY EXPECT TO PERFORM KEEP THAT IN MIND. ...

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02:21:04

I HAVE A QUESTION I WOULD LIKE THE PANEL TO GO BACK A LITTLE BIT BETWEEN THIS PANEL AND PREVIOUS PANELS, WE ARE CLEAR WE CAN'T RACE AS A FACTOR. JAMAAL, YOU WENT DOWN THE PATHWAY PERHAPS WE HAVE BEEN BRAINSTORMING, ARE THERE WAYS TO THINK ABOUT USING THE DATA, SOCIAL VULNERABILITY INDEX AND ABLE TO ACHIEVE THE MINORITY BUT I FEEL LIKE I HEARD THE PANEL SAY THAT WE NEED TO USE RACE AND THOSE OF US HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WITH IN GOVERNMENT NOT IGNORING RACIAL INEQUITIES OR THE FACT THAT RACISM IS A PUBLIC OUTCRY. WE BEEN THINKING AND TALKING ABOUT OTHER WAYS TO ACHIEVE THE SAME KNOWING CONGRESS RIGHT NOW IS IN A PLACE WHERE TALKING SLOWLY, ARE THERE OTHER METHODS? WHAT I FEEL LIKE A HERD THE PANEL SAY WHICH WOULD MEAN WE WOULD BE HAMSTRUNG UNTIL CONGRESS WORKS. ...

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02:22:49

I LIKE TO RESPOND AND WE BEEN HAVING THIS DIALOGUE. I THINK THERE IS LESS DISAGREEMENT BUT IS IT LEGITIMATE TO TALK ABOUT RACE? MIGHT NOT BE THE WISEST THING. I HAVE HEARD YOU AND OTHERS SAY IT'S NOT LEGAL TO USE RACE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS TRUE BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO FIND OUT BECAUSE I THINK YOU AND JAMAAL HAVE SPOKEN TO THE SOLUTION'S METRICS. SO THE QUESTION, FEDERAL WHAT EXCEPTION IT IS THAT ALLOWS THAT TO OCCUR BUT IT DOES NOT OCCUR IN OTHER ENVIRONMENTS. [INAUDIBLE] ...

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02:24:02

WHAT IS THE IMPLEMENTATION?

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WHAT IS THE IMPLEMENTATION?

02:24:14

IF YOU PICK 100 PEOPLE CONFRONTING HEALTH DISPARITY, MOST WILL BE BLACK AND BURN. WHEN YOU SPEAK TO THOSE PEOPLE OR SOLICIT INFORMATION FROM THEM THEM, YOU CAN ASK THEM ABOUT SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS, YOU CAN ASK ABOUT ALL OF THE OTHERS THAT CORRESPOND WITH HEALTH DISPARITIES AND WHAT YOU WILL FIND AS WE KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE BETWEEN RATES AND FEES OTHERS, EVEN IF YOU CAN TALK ABOUT RACE THAT CAN'T APPLY IT I AGREE, A MATTER OF LAW COULD LEAD TO DEBATE THAT YOU ARE RETICENT TO APPLY RACE IN THE FUNDING APPLICATION YOU COULD LOOK AT OTHER CONDITIONS TO ADVANCE THE FUNDING TO THOSE LENSES. ...

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02:25:15

ABOUT THE RIDICULOUS, THE SUPREME COURT HAS SAID THESE AFFIRMATIVE ACTIONS AND ETHNICITIES AND PROGRAMS AND FINDINGS ARE NOT PREFERRED AND OUTLAWED IN THE CASE OF HIGHER EDUCATION AND MADE OTHER JUDGMENTS IN REGARD TO MONARCHY CONTRACTING, THERE IS ALWAYS AN OUT CLAUSE UNLESS THERE IS A SPECIFIC COMPELLING GOVERNMENTAL INTEREST AND NARROWLY TAILORED SOLUTION. I WOULD ARGUE IN THE CASE OF MINERAL IS MICHIGAN SUTURES. RELY ON RACE TO GET TO THE SOLUTION BUT THERE IS A COMPLETE GOVERNMENTAL INTEREST. ...

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02:26:19

I AM A NONLAWYER SO I THINK THE SUPREME COURT HAS THE DECISION GIVEN BEFORE IT WAS ENACTED SO CONGRESS IS AWARE AND ENACTED THIS INITIATIVE. THOSE ARE FURTHER COMPELLING GOVERNANCE SAID YOU CAN'T USE RACE TO CAME UP IN THE CONTEXT, IF YOU GIVE IT TO A PERSON OF COLOR, BUT THAT DOESN'T APPLY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GIVING A BENEFIT THAT SOMEONE ELSE IS LOSING OUT ON. WE COULD ARGUE, WHEN YOU KNOW? I WOULD ARGUE FIGHTING HIV IS A NUMBER OF THINGS AND YOU LOOK AT THE DATA, HOW WE MET GOOGLE AND WHEN THE DISPARITY HAS GONE AWAY AND I THINK A DIFFERENT ARGUMENT IS POLITICS. DO WE WANT TO CREATE A CRISIS AND HAVE ANOTHER WAY TO GET TO THE SAME OUTCOME? USING OTHER FACTORS THAT WILL GET US ORGANIZATIONS LED BY PEOPLE OF COLOR BUT IT MAY NOT BE USING RACE. ...

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02:28:01

THIS GOES BACK TO THE IMPORTANCE OF NOT HAVING THEIR NARRATIVE. THERE'S A SUPREME COURT DECISION ISSUED THIS PAST SUMMER ABOUT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IN EDUCATION THAT APPLIES TO TITLE VI. FUNDING COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES RECEIVE FUNDING DOES NOT APPLY IN ANY OTHER CONTEXT. THE OTHER SIDE WILL ARGUE THE COURT STRUCK DOWN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IN EVERY SEGMENT, IT'S NOT TRUE. IT ONLY APPLIES TO EDUCATION POLICY. IT DOESN'T APPLY TO HIV FUNDING OR ANYTHING, THEY WILL MAKE THAT ARGUMENT, NOW THERE IS A SEPARATE ISSUE ABOUT POLITICS AND WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD BUT AS A MATTER OF LAW, IT'S ONLY ABOUT EDUCATION AND DOES NOT APPLY TO ANYTHING ELSE. ...

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02:29:00

I WAS HAVING DINNER WITH SOMEONE RECENTLY WITH CORPORATE FOR DIVERSITY AND THEY ARE FINDING WILL PAY THE FINAL COST OF NOT COMPLYING WITH THE PROGRAM'S VERSUS TAKING ACTION THE YOU COULD ASSUME YOU HAVE A LARGER SET THAT SO IT IS CHILLING ACTIONS TO SAY WE WILL JUST PUSH BACK FROM THE TABLE. ...

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02:29:30

THAT'S TRUE AND I THINK WE FACE A DIFFERENT COUNSELOR. THE EDUCATION I TALKED ABOUT BUT THE FLIPSIDE WE ARE NOT HEARING ABOUT THE POSITIVE CASES SO NASDAQ ISSUED A POLICY THAT SAID IF YOU ARE A COMPANY ON NASDAQ, NEED DIVERSITY ON YOUR BOARD, THEY WERE SUIT AND THEY ONE. HOW MANY OF US KNOW THAT? WE KNOW ABOUT THE SUPREME COURT CASE BUT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE NASDAQ CASE THAT IS THE NARRATIVE WHERE LOSSES ARE AMPLIFIED AND SUCCESSES ARE DIMINISHED. ...

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02:30:18

THEY WANT TO KILL US, THEY WANT US TO BELIEVE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CASE IS GOING TO APPLY TO HEALTH CARE PROGRAMS SO PEOPLE WILL BE AFRAID TO APPLY RACE BUT AN ORGANIZATION TO A GREAT EXPLANATION WHY THE THREE PRONGS DON'T APPLY TO THIS PROGRAM AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO READ IT AND CRITIQUED THE ARGUMENTS OUT IN PUBLIC SO THEY BECOME THE NARRATIVE RATHER THAN THEIR NARRATIVE. ...

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02:30:54

ONE WAY WINDOW THE COALITION OF FORCES AGAINST THE GOOD GUYS FOCUSED ON GETTING PEOPLE PLACED INTO THE COURTS. AS THE LEFT PROGRESSIVE COMMUNITY TAKEN ON RINGING PEOPLE ONTO THE COURT MORE EFFECTIVE THAN THE LAST GENERATION? THE NOT AS PART OF A SMALL GROUP 15 YEARS AGO THAT STARTED THE AMERICAN CONSULTATION, COUNTER THE FEDERALIST SOCIETY AND IT HAS HAD SOME SUCCESS, NOT NEARLY AS WELL ON CAMPUSES AND FEDERAL SOCIETY FOR A FULL HOST OF REASONS BUT IT HAS HAD SOME SUCCESS BUT WE ALL MARCHED TO THE BEAT OF DRUMMERS SO IT'S A WHOLE OTHER BOOK I COULD WRITE ABOUT, STARTING UP AN ORGANIZATION AND CHALLENGES YOU FACE SO THE ANSWER IS YES. I WILL SAY ONE GOOD PIECE OF NEWS ABOUT THE FEDERALIST SOCIETY AMOUNT OF PEOPLE NOTICED GEORGE CONWAY AND COMPATRIOTS HAVE STARTED AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE FEDERALIST SOCIETY IS THEY BELIEVE FROM THE BIGGEST PENANCE OF THE LAW SO THAT WAS A GOOD NEWS PIECE AND I THOUGHT MAYBE THERE IS A NOTION THAT THERE IS A MORE MODERATE STREAM OF AMERICAN LAWYERS WHO BELIEVE THE LAW HAS BEEN TURNED ON ITS HEAD BY THE FAR RIGHT. ...

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02:32:58

HOW IS THE ADMINISTRATION DOING?

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REALLY GREAT, THEY'VE DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB AGAINST ODDS AND I GET THEM HIGH MARKS. WOULDN'T YOU AGREE?

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I THINK ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE A GOOD JOB GETTING MORE FOCUSED ON THE COURT BUT I THINK WE CONFRONT THIS NARRATIVE, YOU HAVE THE SUPREME COURT AND AS A PEOPLE FOCUSED ON IN THE FEDERAL JUDICIARY AND MAGISTRATE AND DISTRICT COURT JUDGES BECAUSE THE NARRATIVE OF THE COMPASS ADMINISTRATION, IS A LIFETIME APPOINTMENT BUT PEOPLE RETIRE AND DON'T LIVE FOREVER SO THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE A GOOD JOB MAKING SURE WE FILL THE APPOINTMENTS DESPITE CHALLENGES WE FACE CURRENTLY. ...

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02:34:12

WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT SIGNING UP FOR THE FIGHT BUT ONE OF THE PLACES WE SHOULD HAVE THE WILL WE HAVE SUCCESS BEING ABLE TO FOCUS ON COMMUNITIES ARE ARE IMPORTANT AND PEOPLE SHOULD FEEL LIKE ALL IS NOT LOST? ...

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02:34:42

I LOOK AROUND AND THERE IS A GENERATION LIKE YOU WONDER WHO IS COMING BEHIND US. I THINK THERE IS A LOT IN ONE PRESS CAME ALONG REPORT THE DATA ABOUT DISPARITIES BUT IT WAS A GROUP OF YOUNG BACKGAMMON, THIS WAS UNFOUNDED, YOUNG BLACK DAY LEADERSHIP AND NOW IN THEIR 30s IT'S A GREAT THING. THERE'S AN ORGANIZATION CALLED TRUE EVOLUTION NOW IN HIS EARLY 30s AND THEY JUST OPENED A CAMPUS OF NINE BUILDINGS, THAT GENERATION OF PEOPLE AMAZED ME, THERE YOUNG ONES, THERE ARE FEWER AND WE NEED TO LOOK TO THEM AND GIVE THEM SPACE TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR US. ...

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02:35:53

WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FORCES BUT THE NAME THAT KEEPS COMING UP OVER AND OVER, AMERICAN ALLIANCE GROUPS, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE GROUPS ARE IN INDIVIDUALS AND WHAT THEY ARE UP TO. ...

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02:36:25

THESE ORGANIZATIONS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NAME AMERICAN ALLIANCE THEY HAVE A MISSION AND THE MISSION IS TO COMPLETELY REMOVE RACE AS A FACTOR SOCIOLOGIST ABOUT EMPLOYMENT, IS EVERY AREA WHERE RACE IS CONSIDERED SO WHAT THEY CAN, SOME WOULD SAY HE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DRAGON DOWN OF THE EDUCATION. HE FUNDED THE CAMPAIGNS FOR A VERY LONG TIME. HE'S WEALTHY. HE'S GOING TO THE CAMPAIGNS THROUGH ORGANIZATIONS AND CHALLENGE THE POLICIES THAT TRY TO ADVANCE EQUITY SO IN ADDITION TO OUR LAWSUIT WHERE HIS ORGANIZATION THE CLAIM, HE SUED TWO FRIENDS AND THEY BROUGHT A LAWSUIT AGAINST WEST POINT BECAUSE WEST POINT WAS EXCLUDED BECAUSE OF THE INSTITUTION THAT FOCUSES ON ADVANCING MILITARY CAREERS AND FILING OF THE LAWSUIT AND THE GOAL, HOW DO I THROW AS MUCH AS I CAN ON THE WALL? SEE WHAT STICKS. THUS THE STRATEGY AND I WILL SUIT AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE AND AS MANY DISTRICTS AS POSSIBLE TO SEE IF I HAVE A CONFLICT SO ONE SAYS ONE THING AND ANOTHER CIRCUIT SAYS SOMETHING ELSE AND I GO TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT IN STATE COURT, HERE'S THE QUESTION, WE WANT YOU TO CERTIFY, REVIEW AND TELL US WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD OBEY THE LAW IN THE COUNTRY SO WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED BECAUSE IT IS A COORDINATED CAMPAIGN TO STRIP AWAY PROTECTIONS. ...

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